That’s Our Show
Episode
33 min
Read time
2 min
Topics
Career Growth, Leadership, Psychology & Behavior
AI-Generated Summary
Key Takeaways
- ✓Asking for what you want: Modeling the behavior of directly requesting needs from credit card companies, airlines, and workplace situations teaches confidence through example. Observing someone consistently ask for accommodations and negotiate terms without fear normalizes the practice and builds courage to advocate for yourself in professional settings, from salary negotiations to project assignments and workplace flexibility arrangements.
- ✓Pop-up to permanent strategy: Proposing new initiatives as limited experiments rather than permanent commitments reduces organizational resistance and creates proof-of-concept opportunities. The Women at Work podcast started as a six-episode pop-up in 2017 during the Me Too movement, then expanded based on demonstrated value. This approach works for workplace projects, allowing teams to test ideas with lower stakes before full implementation.
- ✓Greedy work structures: Jobs requiring availability at all hours, evenings, weekends, and vacations create disproportionate rewards where doubling hours more than doubles earnings. This structure, identified by Nobel Prize winner Claudia Goldin, perpetuates workplace inequities. Organizations can address this by restructuring roles to value output over constant availability, creating more equitable advancement opportunities regardless of personal circumstances or caregiving responsibilities.
- ✓Learning from negative experiences: Jobs that feel wrong teach valuable lessons about career preferences and deal-breakers. When taking a less-than-ideal position, identify specifically what doesn't work—industry, role, salary, culture, or management style. Use volunteering and networking to explore alternatives while maintaining a learning mindset. Understanding what you don't want clarifies future career decisions and prevents repeating unsatisfying patterns.
- ✓Recognition of being set up to fail: When given tasks requiring resources or expertise you lack, with expectations of flawless completion and delayed support from leadership, you're being positioned for failure. At 57 with HR, operations, and finance experience across multiple functions, this listener possesses valuable cross-functional expertise. Testing the job market reveals actual worth rather than accepting one employer's manufactured scarcity narrative.
What It Covers
Women at Work podcast concludes after eight years. Hosts Amy Bernstein, Amy Gallo, and producer Amanda Kersey reflect on the show's impact, share listener testimonials, recount the origin story from a 2017 six-episode pop-up concept, and discuss how the podcast evolved through pandemic challenges while covering topics from career advancement to work-life balance.
Key Questions Answered
- •Asking for what you want: Modeling the behavior of directly requesting needs from credit card companies, airlines, and workplace situations teaches confidence through example. Observing someone consistently ask for accommodations and negotiate terms without fear normalizes the practice and builds courage to advocate for yourself in professional settings, from salary negotiations to project assignments and workplace flexibility arrangements.
- •Pop-up to permanent strategy: Proposing new initiatives as limited experiments rather than permanent commitments reduces organizational resistance and creates proof-of-concept opportunities. The Women at Work podcast started as a six-episode pop-up in 2017 during the Me Too movement, then expanded based on demonstrated value. This approach works for workplace projects, allowing teams to test ideas with lower stakes before full implementation.
- •Greedy work structures: Jobs requiring availability at all hours, evenings, weekends, and vacations create disproportionate rewards where doubling hours more than doubles earnings. This structure, identified by Nobel Prize winner Claudia Goldin, perpetuates workplace inequities. Organizations can address this by restructuring roles to value output over constant availability, creating more equitable advancement opportunities regardless of personal circumstances or caregiving responsibilities.
- •Learning from negative experiences: Jobs that feel wrong teach valuable lessons about career preferences and deal-breakers. When taking a less-than-ideal position, identify specifically what doesn't work—industry, role, salary, culture, or management style. Use volunteering and networking to explore alternatives while maintaining a learning mindset. Understanding what you don't want clarifies future career decisions and prevents repeating unsatisfying patterns.
- •Recognition of being set up to fail: When given tasks requiring resources or expertise you lack, with expectations of flawless completion and delayed support from leadership, you're being positioned for failure. At 57 with HR, operations, and finance experience across multiple functions, this listener possesses valuable cross-functional expertise. Testing the job market reveals actual worth rather than accepting one employer's manufactured scarcity narrative.
Notable Moment
A woman attending the live event for Amy Gallo's book met three strangers while waiting in the signing line. They discovered so much common ground discussing workplace challenges that they exchanged contact information and committed to meeting monthly. The spontaneous formation of this ongoing support group demonstrates how shared professional struggles create immediate bonds among women navigating similar career obstacles.
Episode Transcript
Hi, everyone. We have some sad news to share. This is going to be our last episode of Women at Work. Yeah. This is a tough one, and it's a decision that I made purely for business reasons, but this was really hard because this podcast has been a big part of my life Mhmm. For a long time and has given me enormous joy. I've gained a lot of gratification out of it. And for much of the last eight years, I guess, it's been the most fun thing I get to do. So this is this is a very sad day for me. Yeah. It is. And this show has been such a big part of our lives, and I know it's been a big part of our listeners' lives. So we we wanted to take this episode to really talk about what the show has meant and what we are leaving you with because we're not we're not disappearing. But we wanna invite Amanda Kersey, who you hear from occasionally, but what you don't know, I don't think we've ever done justice to the role she plays in the show. She has been from the very first episode, from the very first trailer, she has been behind the show deciding who to bring on the show, what episodes we're doing. She shapes those episodes. She shapes those episodes. She she coaches us. Oh my gosh. Is that what it's called? She she scripts me. Hi. Yes. I'm the person who bosses you two around. Yep. Yeah. This is this is a difficult end. We knew it would end one day. Of course. And we've built a legacy, I'd say. We we really have through it's not just a podcast in the literal sense. You know, I'm looking at our books, the women network book series right in front of us. We have a newsletter, Amy G, that you write that I used to write Mhmm. That Nicole Torres wrote before me. We have done events, women at work live events. We what else have we done? Newsletter books? Well, we have one of the most active inboxes. We have a very active inbox. You all write us. We write you back. We love it. I'm actually gonna read from some of I'm gonna play let's play, like, a the crying game so you don't make you cry. Doesn't take much. Because I I do wanna draw attention to the impact that the show has had and some of the praise that we've gotten. I've called it listener love in our Slack channel, our women that work Slack channel. I've been trying I love your listener love emails. The beginning of the week, I tried to do it, or the end of the week, some piece of praise to motivate us and just to share what I was hearing. Okay. So I'm gonna read some. We got this one recently from Steph. She says, I love this podcast. …
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