#242 – Money, Happiness, and Productivity as a Solo Founder with Pieter Levels (Part 2 of 2)

What's up, everybody? This is Cortland from ndhackers.com, and you're listening to the Indie Hackers podcast. More people than ever are building cool stuff online and making a lot of money in the process. And on this show, I sit down with these n d hackers to discuss the ideas, the opportunities, and the strategies they're taking advantage of so the rest of us can do the same. This is part two of my conversation with Peter Levels. If you missed the first part, that's cool. Just go back to last week's episode where we talked about Peter's companies, Remoto Okay and Rebase. Let's talk about money. Tyler Tringus asked this. He's like a good example of someone who's moved to Mexico. Yeah. I know him. He's in Mexico City. He's all about Mexico City. He's like, Mexico City is pretty cool. I've been down to his, conference down there, but he wanted to know, like, how you were handling investment and money now that you're, like, your projects are making, like, $34,000,000 a year or something. And I'm just curious, like, more from, like, a broader, like, psychological aspect or perspective too. You know, you ask people on Twitter, like, what should we talk about? And a lot of the questions were, like, are you happy? You know? Like, does money make you happy? Or what do you know about happiness now that you've, like, had these successful projects? Right? Right? And, like, I look at you and you're like, okay. I'm carrying my laptop around in, like, a grocery store bag. So I don't know. Like, what, like, what is Not how I imagine my life. What is your relationship to to money now? Yes. I think it's very interesting. Because I remember in the student days, I was making, like, 300 or $400 a month and now much more. But so I've we talked a little bit about this on DM too. Like, I think almost this is also touch topic. Right? It's like money and capitalism and stuff, but you need a base amount of money to be comfortable. And I think money like, do you know fire, f I r e? Yeah. Financially dependent. Retire early. Yeah. So they have this concept where if you save, like, let's say, you save a $100,000, you can take out $4,000 a year. Sorry. You invest this $100,000 in your stock market, like in ETFs and stuff, and then you can perpetually kinda take out 4% per year. So $4,000 a year. So if you have, like, a million dollars saved after, like, you know, twenty years, you can take that 40,000. So 40,000 is about some money you can maybe live off. So that means that having a million dollars can give you $40,000 the rest of your life, kinda, perpetual. So then you're kinda retired. So I think that's a much more interesting way to see, like, millions, you know, or or seeing money that it's …