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20VC: Tim Ferriss: Why I Walked Away From Angel Investing After Uber | How I Accidentally Lost $150 Million | Money Fixed My Problems—Then Made Me Miserable

91 min episode · 2 min read
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Episode

91 min

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2 min

Topics

Productivity, Personal Finance, Relationships

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Key Takeaways

  • Identity Diversification Strategy: Maintain two to three serious pursuits simultaneously to prevent self-worth from being tied to one variable. When Ferriss trained in jiu-jitsu while writing The Four Hour Workweek, progress in one area provided psychological safety when the other struggled, creating resilience against external factors beyond his control.
  • Angel Investing Allocation Mistake: Ferriss allocated $50,000 of his $120,000 two-year angel budget to one early investment that went to zero, forcing him to extend runway through advising. This led to advising StumbleUpon, which failed but connected him to Garrett Camp, who later brought him into Uber as one of the first three advisors.
  • Public Market Exit Timing: Ferriss sold Shopify immediately after lockup expired, missing $150 million in gains, but considers it the right decision with available information at the time. He later bought back Shopify at $200 per share during COVID's market crash, reclaiming significant value by recognizing his lack of public markets expertise.
  • Podcast Growth Without Video: Ferriss deliberately avoided full video production and YouTube algorithm optimization to maintain privacy and prevent becoming a caricature of extreme behaviors. He focused on 1,000 true fans strategy, targeting specific influential groups like tech-savvy males aged 20-35 in San Francisco first, allowing natural ripple effects to reach millions.
  • Money's Psychological Amplification: Money functions as a nonspecific amplifier like alcohol or psychedelics, magnifying existing traits whether positive or negative. Ferriss observed billionaire friends experiencing amplified insecurities and damaged emotional intelligence, with transient depression of chasing wealth differing fundamentally from the hopelessness of achieving financial goals without solving underlying problems.

What It Covers

Tim Ferriss discusses why he stopped angel investing in 2015 after backing Uber, Shopify, and Facebook, losing $150 million by selling Shopify early, how money amplified his problems rather than solving them, and his evolution from productivity obsession to prioritizing relationships and play.

Key Questions Answered

  • Identity Diversification Strategy: Maintain two to three serious pursuits simultaneously to prevent self-worth from being tied to one variable. When Ferriss trained in jiu-jitsu while writing The Four Hour Workweek, progress in one area provided psychological safety when the other struggled, creating resilience against external factors beyond his control.
  • Angel Investing Allocation Mistake: Ferriss allocated $50,000 of his $120,000 two-year angel budget to one early investment that went to zero, forcing him to extend runway through advising. This led to advising StumbleUpon, which failed but connected him to Garrett Camp, who later brought him into Uber as one of the first three advisors.
  • Public Market Exit Timing: Ferriss sold Shopify immediately after lockup expired, missing $150 million in gains, but considers it the right decision with available information at the time. He later bought back Shopify at $200 per share during COVID's market crash, reclaiming significant value by recognizing his lack of public markets expertise.
  • Podcast Growth Without Video: Ferriss deliberately avoided full video production and YouTube algorithm optimization to maintain privacy and prevent becoming a caricature of extreme behaviors. He focused on 1,000 true fans strategy, targeting specific influential groups like tech-savvy males aged 20-35 in San Francisco first, allowing natural ripple effects to reach millions.
  • Money's Psychological Amplification: Money functions as a nonspecific amplifier like alcohol or psychedelics, magnifying existing traits whether positive or negative. Ferriss observed billionaire friends experiencing amplified insecurities and damaged emotional intelligence, with transient depression of chasing wealth differing fundamentally from the hopelessness of achieving financial goals without solving underlying problems.

Notable Moment

Ferriss reveals he stopped all angel investing in 2015 when valuations became bloated and venture capitalists moved downstream into angel territory. He found himself competing against Tiger Global and other large funds with unfavorable terms, dealing with entitled entrepreneurs he disliked, recognizing he had become easily replaceable as just capital rather than unique value.

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Episode Transcript

This is 20 v c with me, Harry Stebbings, and this episode was about ten years in the making. No one actually knows this, but I started podcasting because I fell in love with Tim Ferriss's podcast ten years ago. I I remember listening to it for the first time and I actually used his episode with Ed Cook to study for exams at school before I dropped out. He has been a idol inspiration, mentor to me for many years. I'm so thrilled that we are able to do this show today. It's one of the most thoughtful and reflective that we've done. I'd love your feedback. Let me know what you think. Harry@20vc.com. But before we dive into the show today, Secureframe empowers businesses to build trust with customers by simplifying information security and compliance through AI and automation. Thousands of fast growing businesses, including Nasdaq, AngelList, Doodle, and Coda trust Secureframe to expedite their compliance journey for global security and privacy standards, such as SOC two and ISO 27,001, CMMC, NIST standards, and more. Backed by top tier investors and corporations like Google and Kleiner Perkins, the company is among Forbes' list of the top a 100 start up employers for 2024, g two's best software awards for highest satisfaction products, and a recipient of the 2024 cybersecurity excellence awards, something I definitely never got in school myself. Learn more today at secure frame dot com. Once Secureframe locked it all down, HMC, they hand you the keys to scale it up. Harvard management company is constantly seeking out the next generation of great investors and entrepreneurs. HMC has managed Harvard University's endowment for nearly fifty years and was one of the first institutional investors in venture capital. Their experience in long term investment is institutional investors in venture capital. Their experience and long term investment horizon makes them ideal partners to get world changing ideas on a path to viability and success. They work as a true partner, providing insightful perspectives to help managers succeed. I personally have had the pleasure of working with the HMC team and can say that they are truly exceptional partners and savvy investors. So whether you're launching your first fund or your fifth, HMC welcomes the opportunity to partner with both developing and established managers. Have an idea you wanna share with the team? Just send it over to venture@hmc.harvard.edu. Okay. HMC fuels the growth. Acuity scheduling ensures our time stays on track. This show is brought to you by Acuity scheduling, the flexible scheduling software that helps you focus on what matters most, growing your business. With Acuity, you can manage your calendar, you can accept secure payments, offer clients a seamless booking experience that reflects your brand. I've been using my complimentary subscription, and it's been a game changer for staying organized and saving time. I especially love online booking. Clients can book, reschedule, or cancel anytime, and the booking page looks fully branded with my logo and …

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  • backing Uber, Shopify, and Facebook, losing $150 million by selling Shopify early
  • He found himself competing against Tiger Global and other large funds with unfavorable terms
  • Tim Ferriss discusses why he stopped angel investing in 2015 after backing Uber, Shopify, and Facebook
  • This led to advising StumbleUpon, which failed but connected him to Garrett Camp
  • Tim Ferriss discusses why he stopped angel investing in 2015 after backing Uber, Shopify, and Facebook

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