20Product: Replit CEO on Why Coding Models Are Plateauing | Why the SaaS Apocalypse is Justified: Will Incumbents Be Replaced? | Why IDEs Are Dead and Do PMs Survive the Next 3-5 Years with Amjad Masad

We're approaching a certain plateau in how good coding models could get. Cost question is secondary to the performance question. When you focus on cost is when you reach a certain asymptotic plateau in the s curve. I think I think for all intents and purposes, IDEs are dead. The name of the game is just staying one, two, three, four, 10 steps ahead. This is 20 product, the monthly show where we sit down with the best product minds to unpack the future of product, how the best product managers work, and what that looks like in a world of AI. We could not have a more relevant guest than Amjad Masad, cofounder and CEO at Replit, joining us in the hot seat. The man is reshaping what it means to be a great product manager, what it means to be a great product leader, and Replit is one of the leading vibe coding tools alongside the likes of Lovable. This was an incredible discussion with Amjad and I'm really excited for you to hear it. But before we dive into the show today, have you ever felt a little stuck at work? Maybe you're stuck in back to back meetings, stuck without clear feedback, or trying to learn a new AI workflow. Well, now you can move work forward with Loom, the AI first video platform from Atlassian. Use Loom to simultaneously record both your screen and yourself to share a quick update, provide feedback, train a colleague, and everything in between. AI instantly adds a title, a summary, and edits to your video so clarity travels with the work. Finally, you'll have more focus time, fewer unnecessary meetings, and more effective ones. It's a real team changer and game changer for personal productivity. Try Loom today at loom.com. Once Loom gets the message across, Fynn keeps the conversation going with customers. As AI agents become more common in customer experience, teams often end up juggling multiple silo tools for every job. Well, Fin was built to change that. It's a single unified agent that works across your entire customer experience from service to sales to success and beyond. Fin is the agent making perfect customer experiences possible for thousands of customers. It's powered by custom models, trained on years of real customer interactions, so it understands the nuance and complexity of customer service better than any other agent. That means faster resolutions, more consistent support, and just better experiences for every customer. It's also designed to be fully self manageable so you can easily improve and adapt it as your business evolves. No third parties required. Leading companies like Gamma, Asana, DoorDash, and crypto.com already use and love Fin to deliver better customer experiences. So see what Fin can do for your team at fin.ai/20vc. While Fin helps answer the customer, Framer helps impress the next one. You know that moment when marketing wants a landing page, design mocks it up, and engineering says, yeah, we'll get …