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Do THIS Every Day to Rewire Your Brain From Stress and Anxiety

74 min episode · 3 min read
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Nadine Burke Harris

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74 min

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3 min

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Health & Wellness, Relationships, Leadership

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Key Takeaways

  • ACE Dose-Response Data: The 1998 CDC/Kaiser study of 17,500 people found that individuals with four or more ACEs are 4.5x more likely to experience depression, 7x more likely to develop alcohol dependence, 10x more likely to become opiate-dependent, and 2.5x more likely to develop heart disease. Currently, one in six Americans has experienced four or more of the 10 defined ACEs, making this a widespread biological issue, not a rare one.
  • Trauma Redefined Biologically: Trauma is not the event itself but the body's ongoing biological response to overwhelming stress. This distinction matters practically: if you cannot identify a single dramatic incident but still experience chronic reactivity, shutdown, or physical symptoms like autoimmune disease or headaches, your nervous system may be responding to accumulated stress patterns encoded during childhood, even ones you have no conscious memory of experiencing.
  • The Buffering Teeter-Totter Model: Visualize a seesaw with adversity on one side and buffering on the other. The younger a person experiences trauma, the further the fulcrum shifts toward adversity, requiring proportionally more buffering to restore balance. This explains why adults who "seem fine" still feel triggered — early adversity created a biological imbalance that was never counteracted with sufficient safe, stable, nurturing relationships or regulated self-care practices.
  • Seven Evidence-Based Buffering Interventions: Dr. Burke Harris's California Surgeon General report identifies seven practices that measurably reduce biological stress response activity: sleep, exercise, nutrition, mindfulness, mental health support, healthy relationships, and time in nature. Starting with even one daily practice — a 20-minute walk or five minutes of journaling — begins stacking weight on the buffering side of the teeter-totter and trains the nervous system to return to baseline more efficiently.
  • Prefrontal Cortex Shutdown Explains Procrastination: When the amygdala detects threat, it neurologically suppresses the prefrontal cortex — the brain region governing impulse control, executive function, and decision-making — because deliberate thinking slows survival response. Chronic overactivation of this mechanism means procrastination, inability to start tasks, and poor follow-through are often biological symptoms of an overactive stress response, not character flaws. Buffering first, rather than forcing willpower, is the neurologically sound sequence.

What It Covers

Dr. Nadine Burke Harris, pediatrician and California's first Surgeon General, explains how adverse childhood experiences (ACEs) biologically rewire the stress response, creating patterns of emotional reactivity, shutdown, and chronic illness in adulthood. The episode covers the ACE study's findings, the teeter-totter buffering model, and seven evidence-based interventions to regulate an overactive nervous system.

Key Questions Answered

  • ACE Dose-Response Data: The 1998 CDC/Kaiser study of 17,500 people found that individuals with four or more ACEs are 4.5x more likely to experience depression, 7x more likely to develop alcohol dependence, 10x more likely to become opiate-dependent, and 2.5x more likely to develop heart disease. Currently, one in six Americans has experienced four or more of the 10 defined ACEs, making this a widespread biological issue, not a rare one.
  • Trauma Redefined Biologically: Trauma is not the event itself but the body's ongoing biological response to overwhelming stress. This distinction matters practically: if you cannot identify a single dramatic incident but still experience chronic reactivity, shutdown, or physical symptoms like autoimmune disease or headaches, your nervous system may be responding to accumulated stress patterns encoded during childhood, even ones you have no conscious memory of experiencing.
  • The Buffering Teeter-Totter Model: Visualize a seesaw with adversity on one side and buffering on the other. The younger a person experiences trauma, the further the fulcrum shifts toward adversity, requiring proportionally more buffering to restore balance. This explains why adults who "seem fine" still feel triggered — early adversity created a biological imbalance that was never counteracted with sufficient safe, stable, nurturing relationships or regulated self-care practices.
  • Seven Evidence-Based Buffering Interventions: Dr. Burke Harris's California Surgeon General report identifies seven practices that measurably reduce biological stress response activity: sleep, exercise, nutrition, mindfulness, mental health support, healthy relationships, and time in nature. Starting with even one daily practice — a 20-minute walk or five minutes of journaling — begins stacking weight on the buffering side of the teeter-totter and trains the nervous system to return to baseline more efficiently.
  • Prefrontal Cortex Shutdown Explains Procrastination: When the amygdala detects threat, it neurologically suppresses the prefrontal cortex — the brain region governing impulse control, executive function, and decision-making — because deliberate thinking slows survival response. Chronic overactivation of this mechanism means procrastination, inability to start tasks, and poor follow-through are often biological symptoms of an overactive stress response, not character flaws. Buffering first, rather than forcing willpower, is the neurologically sound sequence.
  • Corrective Experiences Rewire Stress Response: EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) and Internal Family Systems therapy use bilateral stimulation and guided memory processing to create corrective experiences — where the brain rehearses a different, safer outcome to a past threatening situation. The mechanism works because the nervous system learns through experience, not instruction. Asking for help and receiving it, or setting a boundary and surviving it, physically updates the stress response's threat-detection calibration over time.

Notable Moment

A seven-year-old patient's growth had completely stalled at a four-year-old's measurements. The cause was a traumatic event at age four. The endocrinologist confirmed stress hormones alone caused the growth arrest — and prescribed psychotherapy, not hormones. After treatment, the child resumed growing, demonstrating that psychological trauma produces measurable, reversible physical changes in the body.

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Episode Transcript

Hey. It's your friend, Mel, and welcome to the Mel Robbins podcast. Have you ever had a moment where you think, why am I like this? I mean, you're doing fine, you're functioning, you're successful, and yet somehow, one email, one comment, one conflict with somebody, and suddenly, you are flooded with emotions. You're reactive, you're triggered, or you completely shut down. Or maybe you're wondering, why is my spouse like this? Why do they shut down? Why do they get triggered? Why are they so strict or clingy, or they're such a perfectionist? Well, today, you're gonna learn the surprising reason why. Our medical expert today is a world renowned expert on the long term impact of childhood trauma and adverse experiences. And before you go, okay. No. No. No. I I haven't had trauma. I want you to listen to this because it is going to explain so much about who you are and who some of the people that you love deeply are right now in your adult life. Doctor Nadine Burke Harris is gonna teach you that this kind of behavior where you're so emotionally reactive, or you shut down, or you get triggered by the easiest thing, it is a neurological and biological pattern that started in childhood. See, there is a stress response that your body learned a long time ago, but now, you're still trapped in it as an adult. Now instead of making yourself wrong, doctor Burke Harris is here to teach you how to break free from the patterns in your past so you can finally heal yourself and feel in control of your emotions, your thoughts, your actions, and your life. There's a difference between liking a house and actually getting it. Redfin is built to close that gap. Redfin agents close twice as many deals as other agents. So when you find a home you love, you're not a step behind when it's time to make an offer. That means less watching great homes disappear and more zeroing in on the one you'll actually end up calling home. Redfin helps turn saved listings into real addresses. Get started at redfin.com. Own the dream. Instagram teen accounts have automatic protections for what teens see and who can contact them, plus time management tools. And Instagram will continue adding built in safety features to help create age appropriate experiences. Learn more about teen accounts and Instagram's ongoing work to protect teens online at instagram.com/teenaccounts. Hey. It's your friend, Mel, and welcome to the Mel Robbins podcast. I am so excited for the conversation today. I'm so excited that you're here. It is such an honor to spend time with you and to be together. And if you're a new listener, I wanna take a moment and personally welcome you to the Mel Robbins podcast family. And I also wanna point out the fact that somebody shared this with you means that you have people in your life that care deeply about …

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  • EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) and Internal Family Systems therapy use bilateral stimulation and guided memory processing to create corrective experiences — where the brain rehearses a different, safer outcome to a past threatening situation.
  • EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) and Internal Family Systems therapy use bilateral stimulation and guided memory processing to create corrective experiences — where the brain rehearses a different, safer outcome to a past threatening situation.

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