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#430 How to Write Ads That Sell

63 min episode · 3 min read

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63 min

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3 min

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Career Growth, Marketing, Sales & Revenue

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Key Takeaways

  • Advertising as salesmanship: Hopkins defines all advertising as multiplied salesmanship — every ad should be written as if one specific prospect stands directly in front of you. A mediocre salesman damages a fraction of your business; mediocre advertising damages all of it. Before publishing any ad, ask: would this help a salesman close a sale face-to-face with a real buyer?
  • Headline leverage: Changing only a headline — while keeping the entire ad body identical — can multiply returns five to ten times, according to Hopkins, with Ogilvy later documenting differences as large as nineteen to one. Spend the majority of writing time on the headline. It selects the right reader from the crowd; without it, the best copy never gets read.
  • Tell the process, not just the claim: When Hopkins audited Schlitz Beer — then fifth in market share — he documented their plate-glass cooling rooms, four-stage bottle cleaning, 4,000-foot artesian wells, and six-month aging process. Schlitz considered these steps ordinary. Hopkins ran them as ads. Schlitz jumped to tied-for-first within months. Competitors used identical processes but never told the story.
  • Sell rewards, not prevention: Hopkins made over one million dollars advertising Pepsodent toothpaste by positioning it around beauty and attractive teeth — not cavity prevention. His research showed people act to gain rewards but rarely to avoid future problems. Every ad featured attractive people, never afflicted ones. Campaigns built around fear of disaster consistently underperform campaigns built around aspiration.
  • Samples require earned effort: Unsolicited product samples lose respect and rarely convert. Hopkins found that requiring prospects to actively request a sample — filling out a form, responding to an ad, making contact — dramatically increased conversion rates. The effort signals genuine interest. Estee Lauder applied the same principle: targeted free samples given personally generated reciprocity and word-of-mouth that outperformed paid advertising budgets.

What It Covers

David Senra examines the life and advertising principles of Claude Hopkins — arguably history's greatest copywriter — through his autobiography *My Life in Advertising* and *Scientific Advertising*. Hopkins built his career on relentless work, deep customer psychology, and a handful of repeatable principles that drove measurable sales results across dozens of major brands.

Key Questions Answered

  • Advertising as salesmanship: Hopkins defines all advertising as multiplied salesmanship — every ad should be written as if one specific prospect stands directly in front of you. A mediocre salesman damages a fraction of your business; mediocre advertising damages all of it. Before publishing any ad, ask: would this help a salesman close a sale face-to-face with a real buyer?
  • Headline leverage: Changing only a headline — while keeping the entire ad body identical — can multiply returns five to ten times, according to Hopkins, with Ogilvy later documenting differences as large as nineteen to one. Spend the majority of writing time on the headline. It selects the right reader from the crowd; without it, the best copy never gets read.
  • Tell the process, not just the claim: When Hopkins audited Schlitz Beer — then fifth in market share — he documented their plate-glass cooling rooms, four-stage bottle cleaning, 4,000-foot artesian wells, and six-month aging process. Schlitz considered these steps ordinary. Hopkins ran them as ads. Schlitz jumped to tied-for-first within months. Competitors used identical processes but never told the story.
  • Sell rewards, not prevention: Hopkins made over one million dollars advertising Pepsodent toothpaste by positioning it around beauty and attractive teeth — not cavity prevention. His research showed people act to gain rewards but rarely to avoid future problems. Every ad featured attractive people, never afflicted ones. Campaigns built around fear of disaster consistently underperform campaigns built around aspiration.
  • Samples require earned effort: Unsolicited product samples lose respect and rarely convert. Hopkins found that requiring prospects to actively request a sample — filling out a form, responding to an ad, making contact — dramatically increased conversion rates. The effort signals genuine interest. Estee Lauder applied the same principle: targeted free samples given personally generated reciprocity and word-of-mouth that outperformed paid advertising budgets.
  • Specificity multiplies persuasion: Vague claims like "lowest prices" or "best quality" carry no weight. A clothing retailer stating "my net profit is 3%" proved far more persuasive than any superlative. A razor brand advertising a "78-second shave" outperformed competitors claiming "quick shaves." Actual figures are accepted at face value; generalities are discounted entirely. Replace every broad claim with a concrete, testable, numbered statement.

Notable Moment

Albert Lasker, the highest-earning person in advertising history, read Hopkins' manuscript for *Scientific Advertising* and immediately locked it in a safe — refusing publication for twenty years because it revealed too many competitive secrets. Only after Lasker retired did Hopkins receive permission to release what became a ten-million-copy bestseller.

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Episode Transcript

This book is not written as a personal history, but as a business story. I try to confine myself to matters of instructive interest. The chief object behind every episode is to offer helpful suggestions to those who will follow me, and to save them some of the midnight groping which I did. Any man who by a lifetime of excessive application learns more about anything than others owes a statement to his successors. The results of research should be recorded. Every pioneer should blaze his trail. That is all that I've tried to do. My only claim is that I have probably worked twice as long as anybody else in this field. I have lived for many years in a vortex of advertising. Naturally, I learned more from that experience than those who had a lesser chance. I want that experience to help others avoid the same difficult climb. I set down these findings solely for that purpose of aiding others to start far up the heights that I scaled. Had someone set down a record like this when I began, I would have blessed him for it. So that is Claude Hopkins right in the preface of his autobiography, which is called My Life and Advertising. When you buy this book, it actually comes with a second book that he wrote, a book that he wrote maybe four decades before he wrote his autobiography, which is called Scientific Advertising. So I actually I I reread these books. I read these both these books for the first time, I don't know, like, probably, like, five years ago. And I found them because one of my personal heroes is this guy named David Overby. And David Overby said, essentially, like, he built the foundation for his giant advertising, agency that he founded just on the work alone of Claude Hopkins. And I originally set out to write so here's a crazy story for you. This will explain everything that I wanna talk to you about today. So there is a book written by Claude Hopkins, which is called Scientific Advertising. Okay? It is sold like 8,000,000, 10,000,000 copies. It's probably the most important book ever written on advertising if you factor in who read the book and then what it influenced to build after that. The book was so valuable that when Claude first wrote it, he showed it to the founder of the firm that he is working for, this guy named Albert Lasker. Now this is really important to follow because Albert Lasker is the person that made the most money in advertising ever. Albert Lasker read the book, told Claude Hopkins, absolutely not. You are not publishing this book. This is giving away all of our secrets. You have to wait until I'm done making all this money. Albert Lasker put the book into a safe for twenty years. When Albert Lasker was done, quit his advertising agency. I think he wound up giving it to some …

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