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TIP827: Auto1 Stock (AG1): Is This the Amazon for Cars? w/ Daniel Mahncke & Shawn O’Malley

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Key Takeaways

  • Graveyard Advantage: Every major online used car competitor—Cazoo (raised €2B, went bust), Shift, CarLotz (both bankrupt), and Carvana (restructured $5B debt)—collapsed between 2022–2023 when used car prices crashed and rates rose. Auto1 survived by building vertically integrated infrastructure rather than staying asset-light, leaving it as the dominant pan-European operator with virtually no comparable competition remaining in the market.
  • Cross-Border Arbitrage Moat: Auto1 ships roughly 60% of sourced cars across national borders, exploiting price differentials between markets. A combustion-engine Volkswagen unwanted in Norway (where EVs are 33% of cars) sells at a premium in Germany (7% EV penetration). This arbitrage only works at Auto1's scale of 750 pickup stations and 60,000 dealer relationships—a structural barrier no new entrant can replicate quickly.
  • Wholesale vs. Retail Economics: Auto1's wholesale channel (90% of volume, ~750,000 cars) earns €1,000 gross profit per unit at 11–12% margin, turning inventory monthly. The retail Auto Hero channel (100,000 cars) earns €2,600 GPU at 15% margin but holds inventory 3–4 months. The wholesale channel's 12x annual capital recycling produces roughly 60% return on tied-up capital, making its lower margin misleading at first glance.
  • Proprietary Data Flywheel: Unlike classified platforms such as Mobile.de that only see asking prices, Auto1 observes actual transaction prices, vehicle conditions, and cross-border sale outcomes. The CEO states this dataset cannot be scraped from the internet. Each additional transaction improves AI pricing models (90% AI-driven today), enabling tighter quotes to sellers and dealers, which drives more volume, which improves models further in a self-reinforcing cycle.
  • Founder Alignment via Incentive Structure: CEO Christian Bertemann holds 12.5% of shares; Chairman Hakan Koch holds 9%. Bertemann's new 5-year compensation package through 2030 pays €400–900M only if the stock reaches €75 (roughly 3.75x current price of ~€20) as a 3-month average. His base salary is €500K, making equity the primary income source. The new CFO received identical bonus structure, aligning capital allocation decisions with long-term shareholder returns.

What It Covers

Daniel Mahncke and Shawn O'Malley analyze Auto1 Group, a Berlin-founded used car marketplace operating across Europe. With 840,000 cars sold annually at 22% growth, 3% market share, and a €700 billion total addressable market, they examine whether Auto1 can replicate Amazon's dominance in European used car transactions.

Key Questions Answered

  • Graveyard Advantage: Every major online used car competitor—Cazoo (raised €2B, went bust), Shift, CarLotz (both bankrupt), and Carvana (restructured $5B debt)—collapsed between 2022–2023 when used car prices crashed and rates rose. Auto1 survived by building vertically integrated infrastructure rather than staying asset-light, leaving it as the dominant pan-European operator with virtually no comparable competition remaining in the market.
  • Cross-Border Arbitrage Moat: Auto1 ships roughly 60% of sourced cars across national borders, exploiting price differentials between markets. A combustion-engine Volkswagen unwanted in Norway (where EVs are 33% of cars) sells at a premium in Germany (7% EV penetration). This arbitrage only works at Auto1's scale of 750 pickup stations and 60,000 dealer relationships—a structural barrier no new entrant can replicate quickly.
  • Wholesale vs. Retail Economics: Auto1's wholesale channel (90% of volume, ~750,000 cars) earns €1,000 gross profit per unit at 11–12% margin, turning inventory monthly. The retail Auto Hero channel (100,000 cars) earns €2,600 GPU at 15% margin but holds inventory 3–4 months. The wholesale channel's 12x annual capital recycling produces roughly 60% return on tied-up capital, making its lower margin misleading at first glance.
  • Proprietary Data Flywheel: Unlike classified platforms such as Mobile.de that only see asking prices, Auto1 observes actual transaction prices, vehicle conditions, and cross-border sale outcomes. The CEO states this dataset cannot be scraped from the internet. Each additional transaction improves AI pricing models (90% AI-driven today), enabling tighter quotes to sellers and dealers, which drives more volume, which improves models further in a self-reinforcing cycle.
  • Founder Alignment via Incentive Structure: CEO Christian Bertemann holds 12.5% of shares; Chairman Hakan Koch holds 9%. Bertemann's new 5-year compensation package through 2030 pays €400–900M only if the stock reaches €75 (roughly 3.75x current price of ~€20) as a 3-month average. His base salary is €500K, making equity the primary income source. The new CFO received identical bonus structure, aligning capital allocation decisions with long-term shareholder returns.
  • Valuation Framework for Destination Companies: Auto1 trades near €20/share with a modeled fair value of ~€33 using 10%+ annual merchant unit growth, low-single-digit GPU growth, EBITDA margins expanding ~2 percentage points annually to 31% by 2030, a 20x exit multiple, and 8% discount rate. This implies ~15% expected annual returns. Bear case drops below €10 on flat margins; bull case exceeds the CEO's €75 bonus threshold before applying margin of safety.

Notable Moment

When Daniel first encountered the statistic that Auto1 transports 60% of cars across national borders, he suspected it masked the practice of shipping crash-damaged German cars to Poland for cheap repairs before reselling them. Research confirmed Auto1's cross-border activity is legitimate price arbitrage, not the fraudulent repair cycle common among smaller dealers.

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Episode Transcript

You're listening to TIP. Today, you will get your code open, Sean. I hope so. I mean, I can just no longer stand you. Oh, this could have been a code open, and this could have been a code open line every single time I say something before we press record. It finally got to you, Alright. Well, tell us about AutoONE then. Well, I will start this one a little morbid, I gotta say, because I think the best way into this company is going through basically a graveyard of companies that has tried to do the same. So I want you to cast your mind back to, like, 2020, 2021 when there was this whole wave of online used car companies. And the pitch back then has been, we are gonna do for used cars what Amazon did for everything else. So, you know, you buy your car online, somebody drops it off at your house, you have seven day returns, no haggling, and also no, you know, sleazy lot that basically gives you this immediate feeling of I don't wanna be here, I just wanna get home with my car without it. And in The US, those companies were Kibana, Shift, and Callouts, and in Europe, the big one was Kazoo, which was a UK company. And every single one of them raised a ton of money, showed pretty fast growth rates, and the stocks actually became mortgage backed pretty quickly. And then, twenty twenty two and 2023 happened, and used car prices got crushed, interest rates went up, and as we, I think, also remember, the capital markets were generally not in a good situation. And almost all of the companies that we mentioned got wiped out. So Kazoo went bust after raising, I think, over €2,000,000,000 Shift merged with Carlos only for both to go bankrupt. And then Carvana almost went bankrupt and had to restructure $5,000,000,000 of debt. Oh, I remember this, but, you know, Carvana went from being the worst performing stock to the best performing stock in back to back years, which was just absurd. Right? It was basically a penny stock at the start of 2023. And then over the course of that year, it 10 x ed. You know, as I always say, markets being markets. But there was one company in Europe, actually in Germany, that had the same model, also went through the same exact cycle and is still standing and actually growing at over 20% per year. And it just started having its first profitable years. And that's AutoONE Group. And this business checks I would say, quite a lot of the boxes that we usually look for. So it's a two sided marketplace with lots of physical infrastructure to defend its positioning. Basically, the moat that we always talk about. It's TAM. Total Addressable Market is also huge. It's still founder led and the founder has lots of skin in the game and is benefiting from …

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  • Daniel Mahncke and Shawn O'Malley analyze Auto1 Group, a Berlin-founded used car marketplace operating across Europe. With 840,000 cars sold annually at 22% growth, 3% market share, and a €700 billion total addressable market, they examine whether Auto1 can replicate Amazon's dominance in European used car transactions.
  • Every major online used car competitor—Cazoo (raised €2B, went bust), Shift, CarLotz (both bankrupt), and Carvana (restructured $5B debt)—collapsed between 2022–2023 when used car prices crashed and rates rose.
  • Every major online used car competitor—Cazoo (raised €2B, went bust), Shift, CarLotz (both bankrupt), and Carvana (restructured $5B debt)—collapsed between 2022–2023 when used car prices crashed and rates rose.
  • Every major online used car competitor—Cazoo (raised €2B, went bust), Shift, CarLotz (both bankrupt), and Carvana (restructured $5B debt)—collapsed between 2022–2023 when used car prices crashed and rates rose.
  • Every major online used car competitor—Cazoo (raised €2B, went bust), Shift, CarLotz (both bankrupt), and Carvana (restructured $5B debt)—collapsed between 2022–2023 when used car prices crashed and rates rose.
  • Unlike classified platforms such as Mobile.de that only see asking prices, Auto1 observes actual transaction prices, vehicle conditions, and cross-border sale outcomes.

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