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TIP838: Google, Reddit, Amazon – Are Our Biggest Winners Still a Buy? w/ Daniel Mahncke & Shawn O’Malley

87 min episode · 3 min read

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87 min

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Health & Wellness, Investing, Fundraising & VC

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Key Takeaways

  • Narrative vs. Fundamentals: Alphabet was purchased between $150–$190 when DOJ antitrust fears and ChatGPT disruption narratives crushed sentiment. Operating cash flow growth moved from 0% in 2022 to nearly 40% today while the price-to-operating-cash-flow multiple expanded from mid-teens to 30s. Both multiple expansion and fundamental improvement drove the ~100% return, not just sentiment recovery alone.
  • Valuation Model Limitations: Financial models almost always reflect the status quo with incremental adjustments. Alphabet's sum-of-parts model suggested fair value at $180–$200, yet the stock doubled beyond that. Reddit's 30% operating margin target for 2028 was achieved by end of 2024. Treat models as range-of-outcomes tools, not precise price targets, and weight qualitative business quality heavily alongside the numbers.
  • CapEx Transformation Risk: Both Alphabet and Amazon are guiding for roughly $200 billion in annual CapEx, with Amazon raising $90 billion in long-term debt. Free cash flow has turned negative at both companies for the first time in years. Investors should monitor whether this capital intensity becomes permanent, fundamentally shifting both businesses from asset-light software models toward capital-heavy infrastructure companies.
  • Letting Winners Run Selectively: The hosts distinguish between holding Alphabet indefinitely despite stretched valuations versus trimming Reddit at 140% gains. The framework: hold when the business is highly diversified, mature, and resilient to narrative shifts; trim when the company is earlier-stage, more volatile, and dependent on a single metric like logged-in user growth that shows early signs of deterioration.
  • User Engagement as Leading Indicator: Reddit's logged-in user growth of only 7% year-over-year, despite 60% revenue growth, signals a monetization ceiling approaching. Over 50% of daily Reddit visitors arrive via Google search rather than direct app usage. Logged-in users generate roughly 3x more revenue than logged-out users, making app adoption the critical metric to monitor for Reddit's long-term earnings power sustainability.

What It Covers

Hosts Daniel Mahncke and Shawn O'Malley review their portfolio's biggest winners — Alphabet, Amazon, and Reddit — analyzing why each position succeeded, whether they remain buys at current prices, and what patterns from missed opportunities like TSMC, Dell, and Comfort Systems reveal about identifying future compounders.

Key Questions Answered

  • Narrative vs. Fundamentals: Alphabet was purchased between $150–$190 when DOJ antitrust fears and ChatGPT disruption narratives crushed sentiment. Operating cash flow growth moved from 0% in 2022 to nearly 40% today while the price-to-operating-cash-flow multiple expanded from mid-teens to 30s. Both multiple expansion and fundamental improvement drove the ~100% return, not just sentiment recovery alone.
  • Valuation Model Limitations: Financial models almost always reflect the status quo with incremental adjustments. Alphabet's sum-of-parts model suggested fair value at $180–$200, yet the stock doubled beyond that. Reddit's 30% operating margin target for 2028 was achieved by end of 2024. Treat models as range-of-outcomes tools, not precise price targets, and weight qualitative business quality heavily alongside the numbers.
  • CapEx Transformation Risk: Both Alphabet and Amazon are guiding for roughly $200 billion in annual CapEx, with Amazon raising $90 billion in long-term debt. Free cash flow has turned negative at both companies for the first time in years. Investors should monitor whether this capital intensity becomes permanent, fundamentally shifting both businesses from asset-light software models toward capital-heavy infrastructure companies.
  • Letting Winners Run Selectively: The hosts distinguish between holding Alphabet indefinitely despite stretched valuations versus trimming Reddit at 140% gains. The framework: hold when the business is highly diversified, mature, and resilient to narrative shifts; trim when the company is earlier-stage, more volatile, and dependent on a single metric like logged-in user growth that shows early signs of deterioration.
  • User Engagement as Leading Indicator: Reddit's logged-in user growth of only 7% year-over-year, despite 60% revenue growth, signals a monetization ceiling approaching. Over 50% of daily Reddit visitors arrive via Google search rather than direct app usage. Logged-in users generate roughly 3x more revenue than logged-out users, making app adoption the critical metric to monitor for Reddit's long-term earnings power sustainability.
  • Missed Opportunities Pattern: TSMC, Dell, and Comfort Systems all doubled or more after being passed over. The common thread: each benefited from AI infrastructure spending that the hosts underestimated in scale and duration. The lesson applied going forward is to size positions at 2% even when terminal risks exist, since a worst-case scenario in any single name would likely coincide with broad market declines anyway.

Notable Moment

During Reddit's earnings call, an analyst directly confronted management about declining US logged-in users, pointing out a disconnect between management confidence and actual data. Management responded by announcing they would stop reporting that metric entirely going forward — precisely as it appeared to be turning negative, raising transparency concerns.

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Episode Transcript

You're listening to TIP. Welcome back to the investors podcast. Today's episode is number 838. And after we just did an episode covering stocks that tanked since we covered all of them, Today will be a much more pleasant episode for us because it's actually about our winners. So the plan is to analyze why they worked out so well and also what we can learn from them to find even more of them going forward. Matthew Piepenburg (zero zero three:thirty Seven): Yeah. That does sound a lot more enjoyable for us. And I did like looking at the stocks that didn't do well. I think you tend to learn more from those situations, but nevertheless, I would obviously love to identify some of the patterns among our winners so we can find more companies like them, hopefully. It'll also be interesting to see whether we still consider these companies to be good investments at today's prices. Jason Brett (3zero thirty seven): I also plan to cover some companies that we pitched and then didn't end up buying and that still skyrocketed after, unfortunately. So to some extent, I won't even let us go through this episode without at least pointing out some of our emissions. And I got to say, to be fair, I consider almost all of those companies to be quite expensive today. So I don't know if it was actually a mistake to not make them part of our portfolio. Okay. Well, we'll get into all that today. Since 2014, with more than 200,000,000 downloads, we have interviewed the world's best investors, studied deeply the principles of value investing, and uncovered many compelling investment opportunities. We focus on understanding businesses and intrinsic value, investing accordingly, and sharing everything we learn with you. This show is not investment advice. It's intended for informational and entertainment purposes only. All opinions expressed by hosts and guests are solely their own, and they may have investments in the securities discussed. Now for your hosts, Sean O'Malley and Daniel Mancur. In case you're listening to this episode and you have no idea what portfolio we're talking about here on the show, my cohost Kyle and I alternate on pitching you, Sean, our favorite new stock ideas each week with the obvious goal in mind of finding the great businesses for our intrinsic value portfolio. And while it's a paper portfolio, on the surface, every position of the portfolio is covered by at least one of our hosts through our personal portfolio. And I would say it's always almost a significant position. So we do not just buy one share so that we can say that we invested. We actually have sizable positions in our personal portfolios. So we also regularly share them, at least in our Mastermind group, so that members probably can attest to the fact that we have skin in the game whenever it comes to the companies that we cover here. Josh McCallen (3zero 30: Yeah. For me, …

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