TIP781: My Portfolio & Current Market Conditions w/ Clay Finck & Stig Brodersen
Episode
87 min
Read time
2 min
Topics
Career Growth, Personal Finance, Investing
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Sidecar Investing Framework: Invest alongside generational CEOs like Zuckerberg at Meta and Peterffy at Interactive Brokers, then hold long-term. Meta fell from $750 to below $600 after Q3 earnings despite strong fundamentals, creating entry opportunity at 22 adjusted PE while compounding earnings at 20% annually with WhatsApp monetization still early stage.
- ✓Interactive Brokers Growth Runway: IBKR achieved 30% annual account growth over five years with minimal marketing spend, demonstrating organic customer acquisition through superior product. Currently serves 4 million accounts globally versus massive addressable market, suggesting potential to 10-20X customer base long-term despite $100 billion valuation and premium pricing.
- ✓International Valuation Arbitrage: Poland offers compelling opportunities with companies like Dynopolsko trading at lower multiples than US peers. Japan presents cheapest valuations globally but requires underwriting 16% annual growth versus 12% for US companies to compensate for yen currency risk and potential depreciation against dollar over holding period.
- ✓Portfolio Construction Discipline: Build full 10% positions only with high conviction and attractive valuation. Topicus deployed €780 million in acquisitions during 2025 versus €150 million in 2024, representing 5X increase that should drive future earnings growth despite stock trading at 17 times free cash flow, lowest multiple in company history.
- ✓Career Margin of Safety: Apply value investing principles to personal finances by maintaining low fixed costs and avoiding consumer debt. Taking 50% pay cut to join TIP became possible through living below means with no car payment or mortgage, creating optionality to pursue meaningful work over maximizing income during twenties.
What It Covers
Clay Finck reviews his 2025 portfolio additions including Meta, Interactive Brokers, and Booking Holdings, explaining his shift toward US large caps, valuation frameworks, international diversification strategies, and how value investing principles shape career decisions and personal happiness optimization.
Key Questions Answered
- •Sidecar Investing Framework: Invest alongside generational CEOs like Zuckerberg at Meta and Peterffy at Interactive Brokers, then hold long-term. Meta fell from $750 to below $600 after Q3 earnings despite strong fundamentals, creating entry opportunity at 22 adjusted PE while compounding earnings at 20% annually with WhatsApp monetization still early stage.
- •Interactive Brokers Growth Runway: IBKR achieved 30% annual account growth over five years with minimal marketing spend, demonstrating organic customer acquisition through superior product. Currently serves 4 million accounts globally versus massive addressable market, suggesting potential to 10-20X customer base long-term despite $100 billion valuation and premium pricing.
- •International Valuation Arbitrage: Poland offers compelling opportunities with companies like Dynopolsko trading at lower multiples than US peers. Japan presents cheapest valuations globally but requires underwriting 16% annual growth versus 12% for US companies to compensate for yen currency risk and potential depreciation against dollar over holding period.
- •Portfolio Construction Discipline: Build full 10% positions only with high conviction and attractive valuation. Topicus deployed €780 million in acquisitions during 2025 versus €150 million in 2024, representing 5X increase that should drive future earnings growth despite stock trading at 17 times free cash flow, lowest multiple in company history.
- •Career Margin of Safety: Apply value investing principles to personal finances by maintaining low fixed costs and avoiding consumer debt. Taking 50% pay cut to join TIP became possible through living below means with no car payment or mortgage, creating optionality to pursue meaningful work over maximizing income during twenties.
Notable Moment
Clay describes how Thomas Peterffy arrived in New York at age 21 with no English skills or resources, then built Interactive Brokers into a $100 billion business where he still owns over 70% of shares, exemplifying the American dream and outsider CEO characteristics.
Episode Transcript
You're listening to TIP. Every year, I sit down with my friend and co host Clay Fink to reflect on his portfolio and how his investment process continues to evolve. We discuss which companies he added and how his framework around quality, valuation, and long term compounding has matured. We talk about investing alongside exceptional founder operators, how narratives around AI and motorcycles can divert wildly from intrinsic value, and why some of the hardest decisions in investing aren't about what to buy, but what not to sell. In the second half of the episode, the conversation goes far beyond stocks. We explore how value investing principles shape Clay's view on money, career choice, happiness, and building a life with margin of safety. If you're curious how long term investing, personal values, and thoughtful relationships intersect, I think you'll really enjoy this conversation. Since 2014 and through more than 180,000,000 downloads, we've studied the financial markets and read the books that influence self made billionaires the most. We keep you informed and prepared for the unexpected. Now for your hosts, Stig Brodersen and Play Fink. Welcome to The Investor's Podcast. I'm your host, Stig Brodersen, and today I'm here with my friend and co host Clay Fink. Clay, how are you? Stig Brodersen (zero zero three:thirty): Hey, Stig. Doing great. Daniel Gole (zero 0 three:thirty): Fantastic. And so let's just jump right into it. We're going to talk about your portfolio and all that happened here in 2025. Well, perhaps whenever someone is turning in, it might be 2026, but we want to look at your portfolio here in 2025 and see everything that's been going on, and I know that you added a few stocks to your portfolio. Now, was this a question of the stocks being on your watch list and then hit a price target, or did you learn perhaps new mental models and then solve some stocks in a different light? Robert Leonard (zero fifty three:forty nine): Yeah. So going into the year, I did want to further expand my portfolio and add a few more quality companies. But in previous years I had a fairly strong bias against large cap US companies. And this led me to invest outside The US in great businesses like Constellation Software, Topicus, Dynopolska. And I still believe these are all great businesses, but are a bit relatively less well known and just not on everyone's radar. And I've expanded my horizons a bit this year as I've really gained more of an appreciation for just how dominant many US franchises are. And part of this is speaking to several of the guests that I do here on the show. So this year I added shares of Meta Interactive Brokers and Booking Holdings to my portfolio. So I covered booking on the show earlier this year in 2025 and added shares during the tariff tantrum during the spring. And meta and interactive brokers are more recent additions to my portfolio. …
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