Ep189: Marc Tessier-Lavigne on Reinventing Drug Discovery with AI
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Drugging the Undruggable: Xaira's near-term AI advantage targets multipass membrane proteins with minimal extracellular surface area — targets where traditional antibody screening yields few hits. Because generative AI designs directly to a specified epitope rather than screening a library, it bypasses the physical constraints that make these proteins difficult to drug, opening a category of targets previously considered inaccessible to antibody therapeutics.
- ✓Generative Protein Design Loop: Xaira runs large-scale design-make-test cycles using RF Diffusion and RF Antibody models, generating millions of AI designs, synthesizing hundreds of thousands in the wet lab, and feeding results back to retrain models. This iterative loop, built on David Baker's 2023–2024 breakthroughs, progressively compresses the path from initial hit to optimized lead candidate, with the ambition of eventually producing near-development-candidate molecules computationally.
- ✓Causal Biology vs. Descriptive Biology: Existing single-cell foundation models like scGPT excel at descriptive tasks — classifying cell types, identifying gene expression differences — but fail at causal questions such as which genetic perturbation returns a diseased cell to a healthy state. Xaira's strategy is to generate large-scale perturbation datasets (perturbing one gene at a time across 20,000 genes) to train models that understand biological causality, not just correlation.
- ✓PerturbSeq as a Public Scaffold: In June 2024, Xaira published the largest perturbSeq dataset to date, covering genome-scale perturbations across cell lines, and made it freely available. The dataset generated 64,000 downloads in three months. The rationale: building causal models of biology requires a broad data scaffold across many cell types, which no single organization can generate alone, making open contribution a strategic accelerant rather than a competitive loss.
- ✓Platform-Product Synergy: Xaira structures itself as both a platform and a product company deliberately. Therapeutic programs generate proprietary wet-lab data that trains and validates AI models, while the models guide which targets to pursue. Without pipeline programs, AI development risks drifting toward academically interesting but therapeutically irrelevant directions. This dual structure also justifies the $1 billion capital raise, since both platform infrastructure and clinical-stage programs require sustained, parallel investment.
What It Covers
Marc Tessier-Lavigne, CEO of Xaira Therapeutics, outlines how the South San Francisco startup deploys AI across all three stages of drug discovery — target identification, molecular design, and patient matching — backed by $1 billion in committed capital and Nobel laureate David Baker's protein design technology, with the goal of halving drug development timelines from 13 to 6.5 years.
Key Questions Answered
- •Drugging the Undruggable: Xaira's near-term AI advantage targets multipass membrane proteins with minimal extracellular surface area — targets where traditional antibody screening yields few hits. Because generative AI designs directly to a specified epitope rather than screening a library, it bypasses the physical constraints that make these proteins difficult to drug, opening a category of targets previously considered inaccessible to antibody therapeutics.
- •Generative Protein Design Loop: Xaira runs large-scale design-make-test cycles using RF Diffusion and RF Antibody models, generating millions of AI designs, synthesizing hundreds of thousands in the wet lab, and feeding results back to retrain models. This iterative loop, built on David Baker's 2023–2024 breakthroughs, progressively compresses the path from initial hit to optimized lead candidate, with the ambition of eventually producing near-development-candidate molecules computationally.
- •Causal Biology vs. Descriptive Biology: Existing single-cell foundation models like scGPT excel at descriptive tasks — classifying cell types, identifying gene expression differences — but fail at causal questions such as which genetic perturbation returns a diseased cell to a healthy state. Xaira's strategy is to generate large-scale perturbation datasets (perturbing one gene at a time across 20,000 genes) to train models that understand biological causality, not just correlation.
- •PerturbSeq as a Public Scaffold: In June 2024, Xaira published the largest perturbSeq dataset to date, covering genome-scale perturbations across cell lines, and made it freely available. The dataset generated 64,000 downloads in three months. The rationale: building causal models of biology requires a broad data scaffold across many cell types, which no single organization can generate alone, making open contribution a strategic accelerant rather than a competitive loss.
- •Platform-Product Synergy: Xaira structures itself as both a platform and a product company deliberately. Therapeutic programs generate proprietary wet-lab data that trains and validates AI models, while the models guide which targets to pursue. Without pipeline programs, AI development risks drifting toward academically interesting but therapeutically irrelevant directions. This dual structure also justifies the $1 billion capital raise, since both platform infrastructure and clinical-stage programs require sustained, parallel investment.
- •R&D Efficiency Targets for 2035: Current industry benchmarks sit at roughly 13 years from target identification to FDA approval and a 10% clinical success rate. Tessier-Lavigne sets a concrete decade-long aspiration: cut timelines to 6.5 years and double or triple success rates to 20–40%. He frames this not as AI-alone but as AI as a primary contributor alongside other advances, arguing the current attrition rate is economically unsustainable for the industry.
Notable Moment
Tessier-Lavigne describes how his decision to study physiology and philosophy at Oxford — reportedly the first such combination in five years — directly shaped his systems-level thinking about biology. The pairing that seemed academically illogical at the time became the cognitive foundation for approaching drug discovery as a causal reasoning problem decades later.
Episode Transcript
Welcome to The Long Run. This is a podcast for biotech adventurers. I'm your host, Luke Timmerman. Today's guest is Marc Tessier Lavigne. Marc is the chairman and CEO of South San Francisco based Xara Therapeutics. Xara is using computers to design protein drugs from scratch, building on work from cofounder David Baker's lab at the University of Washington. Designing protein drugs on computers with ideal properties is a big idea that won Baker the Nobel Prize in 2024. But there's more to the company. Sarah is building a platform for drug discovery that gathers multiple types of biological data, genomic, proteomic, etcetera, and feeds that into AI models to train them and hopefully tease apart what's causing disease versus what's merely hanging along for the ride. That information on what's causing disease is supposed to help guide the design of these new targeted protein drugs from the ground up. The hope at Xara and all other AI assisted drug discovery companies is ultimately to create a system that can make drug r and d faster, less expensive, and more predictable. Xero was cofounded and incubated by Arch Venture Partners and Foresight Labs. It debuted with $1,000,000,000 in committed capital in April 2024. Mark is a neuroscientist. He was on the faculty at UCSF before he took a r and d leadership role at Genentech during its run as the leading cancer drug developer of the early two thousands. He returned to academia as president at Rockefeller University and then later Stanford University. He left Stanford two years ago amid some controversy before coming back to industry with Xero in 2024. Right now, he has the advantage of being in a start up at a moment of technological possibility. Xero has a lot of money, brilliant people, and a clean slate to do something consequential for all of biopharma r and d. It doesn't need to unlearn a lot of things to start doing them a different and better way. And before we get started, a word from the sponsor of the long run, Dash Bio. Are you tired of inconsistent bioanalysis results and waiting months for data that should take days? Dash is the only bioanalysis CRO built from the ground up with a tech first approach designed to deliver better, faster, and cheaper than anyone else. With Dash, you get faster, and cheaper than anyone else. With DASH, you get faster turnaround with results in days, not months, high quality data across major assay types, including ELISA MSD, LC MS, and PCR, supporting all modalities and therapeutic areas customer first policies, like guaranteed outcomes and transparent pricing. From preclinical to late stage studies, DASH helps you move from assay development and validation to sample analysis with unmatched speed. Founded by industry veterans who felt the pain of traditional CROs, DASH is the partner researchers and clinical leaders actually need. Reliable, fast, and easy to work with. So if slow bioanalysis CROs are costing you money and missed deadlines, …
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