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JRE MMA Show #174 with Terence Crawford

136 min episode · 3 min read
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Terence Crawford

Episode

136 min

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3 min

Topics

Career Growth, Health & Wellness, Personal Finance

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Key Takeaways

  • Legacy over money: Crawford accepted pay cuts throughout his career at 135, 147, and 154 lbs, deliberately prioritizing championship legacy over short-term earnings. His strategy: identify the specific legacy goal first, then let money follow. Fighters who chase purses without a defined legacy target tend to make poor matchmaking decisions and extend careers past their peak, risking long-term health for diminishing financial returns.
  • Southpaw switching as a tactical weapon: Crawford developed the ability to switch between orthodox and southpaw stances fluidly mid-combination, a skill his coach initially discouraged. Training both stances equally from early in a career creates cognitive overload for opponents who must recalibrate punch angles, jab positioning, and hook trajectories simultaneously. Crawford credits this as an underutilized skill that MMA fighters now adopt more systematically than boxers.
  • Weight management starting months out: Crawford began dietary changes two full months before fight week rather than relying on last-minute dehydration. For his 147 lb fights, he entered fight week at approximately 152–154 lbs, cutting only 7–8 lbs. This approach preserves brain fluid, reduces knockout vulnerability, and maintains performance levels. Fighters who dehydrate rapidly in the final days compromise neurological function and increase susceptibility to concussive damage.
  • Shoulder surgery timing and concealment: Crawford underwent labrum surgery on his right shoulder in October, returned to hard training in April, and fought Canelo in September — under 12 months post-surgery. He deliberately withheld this information to eliminate excuses and prevent opponents from targeting the injury. He notes his jab and hook velocity were measurably reduced in the Canelo fight compared to prior performances against Spence and Madrimov.
  • Redhead pain tolerance and anesthesia: Research cited during the conversation indicates people with the MC1R gene mutation — associated with red hair — require 19–20% more general anesthesia to achieve equivalent sedation levels compared to non-carriers. Crawford attributes Canelo's exceptional chin and ability to absorb hard shots partly to this genetic factor, which also affects nerve sensitivity and pain threshold profiles in clinical settings.

What It Covers

Terence Crawford joins Joe Rogan to discuss his definitive unanimous decision victory over Canelo Álvarez at super middleweight (168 lbs), his retirement from boxing after becoming undisputed champion across three weight classes (135, 147, 154), and broader topics including extreme weight cutting in combat sports, fighter finances, and the business dynamics of boxing versus the UFC.

Key Questions Answered

  • Legacy over money: Crawford accepted pay cuts throughout his career at 135, 147, and 154 lbs, deliberately prioritizing championship legacy over short-term earnings. His strategy: identify the specific legacy goal first, then let money follow. Fighters who chase purses without a defined legacy target tend to make poor matchmaking decisions and extend careers past their peak, risking long-term health for diminishing financial returns.
  • Southpaw switching as a tactical weapon: Crawford developed the ability to switch between orthodox and southpaw stances fluidly mid-combination, a skill his coach initially discouraged. Training both stances equally from early in a career creates cognitive overload for opponents who must recalibrate punch angles, jab positioning, and hook trajectories simultaneously. Crawford credits this as an underutilized skill that MMA fighters now adopt more systematically than boxers.
  • Weight management starting months out: Crawford began dietary changes two full months before fight week rather than relying on last-minute dehydration. For his 147 lb fights, he entered fight week at approximately 152–154 lbs, cutting only 7–8 lbs. This approach preserves brain fluid, reduces knockout vulnerability, and maintains performance levels. Fighters who dehydrate rapidly in the final days compromise neurological function and increase susceptibility to concussive damage.
  • Shoulder surgery timing and concealment: Crawford underwent labrum surgery on his right shoulder in October, returned to hard training in April, and fought Canelo in September — under 12 months post-surgery. He deliberately withheld this information to eliminate excuses and prevent opponents from targeting the injury. He notes his jab and hook velocity were measurably reduced in the Canelo fight compared to prior performances against Spence and Madrimov.
  • Redhead pain tolerance and anesthesia: Research cited during the conversation indicates people with the MC1R gene mutation — associated with red hair — require 19–20% more general anesthesia to achieve equivalent sedation levels compared to non-carriers. Crawford attributes Canelo's exceptional chin and ability to absorb hard shots partly to this genetic factor, which also affects nerve sensitivity and pain threshold profiles in clinical settings.
  • MMA weight class structure creates extreme cutting: The UFC's eight weight classes create gaps of 15–20 lbs between divisions, incentivizing dangerous cuts. Crawford notes that seven pounds of muscle represents a significant strength differential — he was measurably stronger at 147 than 140. Adding weight classes would reduce extreme cutting, produce more competitive matchups between fighters of comparable natural size, and improve long-term fighter health outcomes across the sport.
  • Entourage costs destroy athlete wealth: Crawford consistently traveled alone and avoided large entourages throughout his career, recognizing that paying security, assistants, and hangers-on represents a direct drain on fight earnings. He contrasts this with fighters who spend heavily on diamond jewelry, luxury vehicles, and visible wealth displays — noting that genuinely wealthy individuals typically dress plainly, invest quietly, and avoid the performative spending that depletes athletes during their earning window.

Notable Moment

Crawford revealed he competed against Canelo Álvarez with a surgically repaired right labrum that was not yet fully healed — the surgery had occurred roughly 11 months prior. He stated that viewers who compare his jab and hook mechanics across fights can detect the reduced snap and power, though the deficit was subtle enough that casual observers never noticed it during the bout.

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Episode Transcript

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Alright. Jeff is here. Yeah. Last time I saw you, I think it was before the Majuro fight, wasn't it? Wasn't it before that fight? I believe so. It was before that fight, and that was just around the time you were talking about fighting Canelo. And everybody was like, that's crazy. He's gonna go up all the way to one sixty eight, two more weight classes above that. That's nuts. Everybody's gotta shut the fuck up now. Yeah. Yeah. You know when I say skills pay the bills. They do. They do. Skills are everything, man. But the thing is, it's like, it's interesting. I watched both the Canelo fight and the Madrimov fight again recently, and Madrimov looked bigger. Mhmm. He looked bigger than Canelo. It was really interesting. He was a big dude. He's a big dude. I wonder what that guy walks around at because it's not one fifty four. No. Not at all. He just fought at one sixty his last fight. Did he? Yeah. Yeah. Really, an outstanding performance against Canelo. It was, like I was saying telling you before, it was a great I told you so fight for me. Because, there were so many of my friends that are big boxing fans who just thought Canelo was too big, they thought it was too much of a jump, he's too experienced. Well, you got it? Yeah. I mean, you made it look I wanna say easy. It wasn't that it was easy, but it was definitive. You know? It was it was such a clear victory. It was so it was at one point when you were pity patting him and then firing off hard shots, I was like, oh my goodness. He's feeling it. Yeah. I was I was in my element. I was in a zone mainly because a lot of people was doubting me as well, you know, telling me I was gonna get knocked out. I was too small, and I was just fighting for the money when I knew what I was capable of. So I was just like, I'm a I'm a show y'all what I'm really about because this is not the first time that I didn't heard that, oh, he can't do this. He can't do that. I think your situation is very similar to when Roy Jones was in his prime. Because when Roy Jones was in his prime, everybody was saying Roy Jones other than James Toney. Roy Jones really hadn't fought anybody. And I was like, no. He's just that much better than everybody else. He makes it look like they're not good. Yeah. If you saw them fight against everybody else, you would say these guys are awesome. For sure. For sure. And I I've been dealing with that my whole career. You know? People getting so much praise after …

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