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#2489 - Ryan Bingham

147 min episode · 3 min read
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Ryan Bingham

Episode

147 min

Read time

3 min

Topics

Career Growth, Health & Wellness, Relationships

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Key Takeaways

  • Wilderness Fire-Starting: Dead pine branches ignite within seconds using a lighter, even in wet conditions — far more reliable than small twigs. A Montana guide school instructor demonstrated this during a timed drill where students had two minutes to build a four-foot flame. Fritos work as emergency kindling in wet environments due to high oil content, burning slowly like candles and sustaining flame long enough to ignite damp wood, as confirmed during a six-day Alaska hunting trip.
  • Axis Deer Bow Hunting Difficulty: Despite 30,000 axis deer on Lanai with no hunting season and year-round pressure, bow hunters succeed at roughly 1-in-150 odds. The deer evolved alongside Bengal tigers and react to incoming arrows at 275 feet per second — moving clear of a shot within 10 yards of impact. Afternoon hunts in high wind offer better success rates by masking sound; still-hunting and spot-stalk approaches produce far more blown stalks than waiting at travel corridors.
  • Wolf Reintroduction Consequences: Colorado's wolf reintroduction program sourced animals from Oregon packs already documented killing livestock, then released them directly onto private ranch land. Three wolves were dropped on one rancher's property. Ranchers now require 24/7 mounted patrols to protect cattle. Wolves also exploit mountain lions by trailing them, stealing fresh kills, and forcing lions to hunt again — effectively doubling deer mortality pressure in reintroduction zones.
  • Mountain Lion Population Management: California banned hunting mountain lions with dogs, which is the primary method for identifying sex, age, and size before harvesting. Removing dogs from the equation caused harvested bear numbers to drop sharply while populations rose. Trail camera data from Tejon Ranch's 270,000-acre property documented 16 distinct mountain lions using a single water source. Stomach content analysis of problem cats shows roughly 50% of their diet consists of domestic pets.
  • Equine Therapy and Human-Horse Bond: Horses reduce anxiety and depression symptoms through direct contact, with equine therapy programs formally used for addiction recovery and mood disorders. The human-horse relationship spans thousands of years of co-dependence for transportation and survival, likely encoding a neurological response to proximity with horses. Children from urban environments show measurable behavioral calming within 20 minutes of first contact — shifting from visible anxiety to relaxed engagement without structured intervention.

What It Covers

Joe Rogan and musician/actor Ryan Bingham cover 147 minutes of wide-ranging conversation spanning Bingham's bull riding career from age 10 to 23, his role on Yellowstone, wilderness survival skills from a Montana guide school, the 2025 LA wildfires, wildlife management debates around wolves and mountain lions, and the cultural contrast between California and Texas rural life.

Key Questions Answered

  • Wilderness Fire-Starting: Dead pine branches ignite within seconds using a lighter, even in wet conditions — far more reliable than small twigs. A Montana guide school instructor demonstrated this during a timed drill where students had two minutes to build a four-foot flame. Fritos work as emergency kindling in wet environments due to high oil content, burning slowly like candles and sustaining flame long enough to ignite damp wood, as confirmed during a six-day Alaska hunting trip.
  • Axis Deer Bow Hunting Difficulty: Despite 30,000 axis deer on Lanai with no hunting season and year-round pressure, bow hunters succeed at roughly 1-in-150 odds. The deer evolved alongside Bengal tigers and react to incoming arrows at 275 feet per second — moving clear of a shot within 10 yards of impact. Afternoon hunts in high wind offer better success rates by masking sound; still-hunting and spot-stalk approaches produce far more blown stalks than waiting at travel corridors.
  • Wolf Reintroduction Consequences: Colorado's wolf reintroduction program sourced animals from Oregon packs already documented killing livestock, then released them directly onto private ranch land. Three wolves were dropped on one rancher's property. Ranchers now require 24/7 mounted patrols to protect cattle. Wolves also exploit mountain lions by trailing them, stealing fresh kills, and forcing lions to hunt again — effectively doubling deer mortality pressure in reintroduction zones.
  • Mountain Lion Population Management: California banned hunting mountain lions with dogs, which is the primary method for identifying sex, age, and size before harvesting. Removing dogs from the equation caused harvested bear numbers to drop sharply while populations rose. Trail camera data from Tejon Ranch's 270,000-acre property documented 16 distinct mountain lions using a single water source. Stomach content analysis of problem cats shows roughly 50% of their diet consists of domestic pets.
  • Equine Therapy and Human-Horse Bond: Horses reduce anxiety and depression symptoms through direct contact, with equine therapy programs formally used for addiction recovery and mood disorders. The human-horse relationship spans thousands of years of co-dependence for transportation and survival, likely encoding a neurological response to proximity with horses. Children from urban environments show measurable behavioral calming within 20 minutes of first contact — shifting from visible anxiety to relaxed engagement without structured intervention.
  • Toxic Contamination After Urban Wildfires: The Palisades fire burned structures containing asbestos, lead paint, EV battery chemicals, treated lumber, and consumer electronics. Rain carries surface ash and chemical residue into groundwater, making well water in areas like Topanga Canyon potentially compromised. Removing contaminated topsoil from individual lots does not address lateral migration from neighboring properties. Residents returning weeks after containment reported throat irritation and respiratory discomfort from residual particulate in the air.
  • Manual Labor as Career Clarification Tool: Taking physically demanding jobs — hay stacking in 110-degree barns, fiberglass insulation installation without respiratory protection, fence post setting — provides direct feedback on career direction. Bingham credits a Mexican neighbor in Laredo teaching him one fingerpicking song, La Malagueña, as the foundation for his entire music career. Learning one or two guitar chords at a time, then writing songs about weekend rodeo trips, built his songwriting practice organically from a single technical starting point.

Notable Moment

Bingham described waking at dawn during his Montana guide school to find snow falling silently onto the backs of horses in the pasture. In that moment, he felt a complete unwillingness to return to ordinary life. The experience — no phone signal, no shelter beyond a tarp strung between trees — produced a clarity about where humans are meant to exist that civilization routinely obscures.

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Episode Transcript

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. What's happening, man? Good to see you. Yeah. Easy, man. Hold on to that microphone, sir. Alright. You were fucking great at that McConaughey thing last year. I really enjoyed that. That was my first time seeing you perform live. It was really cool. Oh, thank you. It was very cool. You're so relaxed up there, man. So it was like you brought everybody into a nice, like, comfortable chill vibe. It was cool. I'm glad you guys felt felt that way. Sometimes it's, it takes me a minute to get into the groove, you know. Yeah. But it felt like that. You know? It felt like you were in it. Like, it brought us it brought the whole crowd into it too. That that event that he does, the two events, the one the singer songwriter one and then the other one with the the auction and everything Mhmm. They're so cool. Such good events. Yeah. They're good people too. You know? Yeah. It's, I, really grown to just appreciate the community around here in Austin and the Hill Country area and all of that stuff. I definitely, wouldn't have the career, I don't think, but it wouldn't have been the for the community around here that just support songwriters and music and the way that they do, it's pretty incredible. You know? When they get behind anything, it's just like it just feels so good to see that many people come together and and, you know, have that support. You know? It's a really good place, man. Austin is a really good community. It really is. A very positive place in a lot of ways. Yeah. I mean, nothing's perfect. There's no perfect places, but it's it's really good. Yeah. I like it so much better than when I was living in California. Mhmm. It feels like real people. Just I miss it, man. I mean, I'm I'm I'm in the process of moving back to to Texas as well. Where are you at right now? Outside of Dallas, Texas out by Tyler. But I've been I've been in, Topanga Canyon in LA for years. You know? So I've been in the middle of it and Doing that Hollywood thing. Every time I get across the state line, it's just like that weight comes off and you're saying, oh, man. I'm I'm home, you know. So yeah. Dude, you had the coolest fucking character on Yellowstone. It was such it must be so fun to play. It was so much fun, man. I had to I I laugh. I always talk about it. I kinda I felt like I had, like, one of the easiest jobs there. You know? It's because my the character was kind of a smaller role. You know? Most of the time, I'd I'd work, like, one or two days a week, and then …

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