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#2491 - Brian Simpson

157 min episode · 3 min read
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Brian Simpson

Episode

157 min

Read time

3 min

Topics

Health & Wellness, Relationships, Fundraising & VC

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Key Takeaways

  • Red Light Therapy for Vision: Rogan reports eliminating his need for reading glasses through two interventions: Pure Encapsulation's Macular Support supplement (a nutrient combination endorsed by Andrew Huberman as mechanistically sound) and consistent red light therapy sessions. While his low-light vision remains impaired, he can now read small phone text without glasses. Anyone experiencing age-related reading vision decline may consider researching these two specific interventions before defaulting to prescription lenses.
  • Heart Attack Recovery and Humor as Coping: Simpson experienced a cardiac event requiring a stent insertion through the groin, performed under partial sedation. His instinct to joke throughout the procedure — including fabricating abandonment by an ER doctor named Doug — created friction with the surgical team. His takeaway: humor is a legitimate coping mechanism during medical trauma, but medical professionals operating under time-critical life-or-death pressure have zero tolerance for it, and patients should anticipate that disconnect.
  • Coyote Population Mechanics: The book *Coyote America* documents a counterintuitive biological response: when coyotes are killed, females detect the absence through roll-call howls and produce larger litters to compensate. This means culling programs actively accelerate coyote population growth. Coyotes now inhabit all 50 U.S. states and every major city, including New York and Chicago — a dramatic shift from the 1980s when they were largely absent from the Eastern United States.
  • Animal Domestication Speed: A decades-long Russian experiment in Novosibirsk selectively bred silver foxes by immediately eliminating any individual showing aggression toward humans. Within roughly 10 generations, foxes displayed dog-like behaviors including tail wagging, licking, and seeking human attention. Physical changes followed: shorter snouts and floppy ears. The experiment demonstrates that domestication timelines are far shorter than assumed — observable behavioral and morphological change occurs within a human lifetime under directed selection pressure.
  • Nicotine Delivery and Addiction Comparison: A standard cigarette contains 10–14mg of nicotine but delivers only 1–2mg to the bloodstream. Nicotine pouches range from 2–12mg per pouch with slower but prolonged absorption. Because pouches can be used anywhere and are consumed continuously, heavy users may absorb more total daily nicotine than smokers. Rogan notes that nicotine at 6–12mg doses creates jitteriness incompatible with precision activities like pool, where calm motor control is essential.

What It Covers

Joe Rogan and comedian Brian Simpson cover Simpson's heart attack during Super Bowl weekend in Atlanta three months prior, his recovery and lifestyle changes, followed by wide-ranging conversations on pet ownership, wildlife behavior, nicotine addiction, video gaming culture, streaming income, and the controversial claim by cardiac surgeon Dr. Steven Gundry that nicotine may benefit mitochondrial function when paired with a high-polyphenol diet.

Key Questions Answered

  • Red Light Therapy for Vision: Rogan reports eliminating his need for reading glasses through two interventions: Pure Encapsulation's Macular Support supplement (a nutrient combination endorsed by Andrew Huberman as mechanistically sound) and consistent red light therapy sessions. While his low-light vision remains impaired, he can now read small phone text without glasses. Anyone experiencing age-related reading vision decline may consider researching these two specific interventions before defaulting to prescription lenses.
  • Heart Attack Recovery and Humor as Coping: Simpson experienced a cardiac event requiring a stent insertion through the groin, performed under partial sedation. His instinct to joke throughout the procedure — including fabricating abandonment by an ER doctor named Doug — created friction with the surgical team. His takeaway: humor is a legitimate coping mechanism during medical trauma, but medical professionals operating under time-critical life-or-death pressure have zero tolerance for it, and patients should anticipate that disconnect.
  • Coyote Population Mechanics: The book *Coyote America* documents a counterintuitive biological response: when coyotes are killed, females detect the absence through roll-call howls and produce larger litters to compensate. This means culling programs actively accelerate coyote population growth. Coyotes now inhabit all 50 U.S. states and every major city, including New York and Chicago — a dramatic shift from the 1980s when they were largely absent from the Eastern United States.
  • Animal Domestication Speed: A decades-long Russian experiment in Novosibirsk selectively bred silver foxes by immediately eliminating any individual showing aggression toward humans. Within roughly 10 generations, foxes displayed dog-like behaviors including tail wagging, licking, and seeking human attention. Physical changes followed: shorter snouts and floppy ears. The experiment demonstrates that domestication timelines are far shorter than assumed — observable behavioral and morphological change occurs within a human lifetime under directed selection pressure.
  • Nicotine Delivery and Addiction Comparison: A standard cigarette contains 10–14mg of nicotine but delivers only 1–2mg to the bloodstream. Nicotine pouches range from 2–12mg per pouch with slower but prolonged absorption. Because pouches can be used anywhere and are consumed continuously, heavy users may absorb more total daily nicotine than smokers. Rogan notes that nicotine at 6–12mg doses creates jitteriness incompatible with precision activities like pool, where calm motor control is essential.
  • Streaming as Primary Income: T Pain generates an estimated $250,000 or more per month exclusively through streaming, operating from a multi-room home studio with dedicated spaces for racing simulators, VR, music production, and standard gaming. He declines most touring offers because streaming revenue exceeds road income. The model works through Twitch partnership revenue combined with sponsorships. Simpson plans to launch his own stream in summer 2025, noting the audience overlap between podcast listeners and stream viewers remains unclear.
  • Nicotine and Mitochondrial Function: Cardiothoracic surgeon Dr. Steven Gundry argues that nicotine functions as a mitochondrial uncoupler — a mechanism that may explain why heavy smokers in certain blue zones, including a region of Sardinia where 95% of men smoke, outlive non-smoking women. His hypothesis: oxidative stress from smoking is neutralized by high-polyphenol diets. He does not recommend smoking but suggests researchers have been asking the wrong question — why smoking harms rather than why some smokers live to 105.

Notable Moment

Simpson recounts that during his stent procedure, the partial sedation caused him to repeatedly raise his hands toward his groin — an involuntary protective reflex — infuriating the surgeon who needed him still. He had no conscious control over the movement. His suggestion that the medical team simply restrain his hands if stillness was so critical went unappreciated by the operating staff.

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Episode Transcript

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Do you you gotta get new glasses? No. I just have different pair for different stuff. Did they get stronger? No. No? I just have a Did you always have glasses? Like, do you have a eyeball issue? Yeah. I got a astigmatism. Okay. But I, but I got one one for driving and one for my computer. I used to have to use, reading glasses. Oh, yeah. Then I started using red light red light therapy. And, I think that, for the first thing I started doing is taking, this company, Pure Encapsulation, has this, it's called, macular support. It's like a combination of nutrients that help your eyeballs. Oh. I don't know how. But it I explained it to Huberman. He read it off to me, and he's like, this makes sense. But then, the big one was red light. I started using red light therapy. I don't need glasses anymore. What? Yeah. My my eyes aren't perfect. Like, in low light, they're not so good. Like, in a dark restaurant, I have to use the the flashlight on my thing to read a menu, but I don't need glasses anymore. Oh, so I was I've been wondering that. Is it that I'm getting older or are they just using darker light in the restaurants? They definitely use dark light in restaurants. I don't I mean, young people can still read it. Like, I've gone to restaurants with my kids and they can read in the dark. I'm like, you can read that? I can't read it. But, but, like, small print, like, on my phone, like, reading an email, I didn't used to be able to read it. It, and now I can read it perfectly. Oh, see now? I'm I'm in that age now where I gotta start switching. Switching glasses? Different. Yeah. Here we go. Here we go. Listen, dude. I'm just happy you're alive. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, you know, man, I'm a Some people don't know what we're talking about. You had a heart attack. Yes. I had a heart attack three months ago. Yeah. Super Bowl weekend. Yeah. In Atlanta. Yeah. Out of nowhere. Well, was it really out of nowhere? Not really. You know, like, because that's a that's only like you were a marathon runner. Right. Right. Exactly. But I but I was sitting there, you know, honestly, I was sitting there thinking because I remember the doctor because we, you know, we we really are, like, we set ourselves up. We we kinda deal with trauma in a not I mean, you can argue about whether how it's whether it's healthy or not. But with but I'll first go to his humor. Right. And I remember the the doctor getting upset with me. Like, the the the surgeon, the lady that was about to …

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    Rogan reports eliminating his need for reading glasses through two interventions: Pure Encapsulation's Macular Support supplement (a nutrient combination endorsed by Andrew Huberman as mechanistically sound)

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