#2460 - Rachel Wilson
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147 min
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Career Growth, Relationships, Leadership
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Women opposed suffrage in majority numbers: Historical records show anti-suffrage groups in the US and England far outnumbered pro-suffrage groups among women. In Massachusetts, the largest referendum allowing women to vote on whether they wanted suffrage, only 4% of participating women supported it. Pro-suffrage leaders Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony subsequently banned women from voting on the question altogether — a fact omitted from the 12 most widely used Western university women's history textbooks, according to professor Joseph Miller's analysis.
- ✓CIA funding shaped second-wave feminism: Gloria Steinem was recruited from Smith College via a fabricated fellowship called the Chester Bowles Fellowship, which did not exist prior to her recruitment. The CIA sent her to India, Eastern Europe, and across the US to promote feminist ideology as part of Cold War liberal democracy promotion strategy. Ms. Magazine was subsequently launched with CIA funding. The agency's calculation was that mobilizing women as a political bloc would counter Soviet communism by expanding Democrat-aligned voter bases.
- ✓Doubling the labor force suppressed male wages permanently: Prior to the 1970s, roughly 5% of mothers with school-aged children worked outside the home. Within approximately 20 years of pushing women into universities and workplaces, female workforce participation reached near parity with men, effectively doubling the labor supply. Men's wages never recovered relative to inflation, creating the modern two-income trap where even families preferring a single-income household cannot sustain one — a structural economic shift Wilson attributes directly to feminist workforce policy.
- ✓Women's higher education is the single strongest predictor of falling birth rates: Regardless of race, economics, culture, or national status, women's access to higher education correlates more strongly with declining birth rates than any other measured variable worldwide. Wilson argues this is not coincidental but by design, citing 19th-century Marxist writers August Bebel and Alexandra Kollontai, who explicitly wrote that pulling women into the workforce and universities would politicize them into revolutionaries and reduce family formation — a stated strategic goal, not a side effect.
- ✓Margaret Sanger fabricated the foundational case for birth control and abortion access: Sanger claimed her mother died from overbreeding and constructed a story about a woman named Sadie Sachs dying because doctors withheld contraceptive knowledge. Both stories are documented fabrications — her mother died of tuberculosis. The Margaret Sanger Papers Project, which archives virtually everything she produced, holds only three letters from the thousands she claimed to have received from overburdened mothers. Sanger was simultaneously funded by the Rockefeller Foundation and connected to Nazi-era scientists who synthesized early hormonal birth control as a eugenics tool.
What It Covers
Rachel Wilson, author of *Occult Feminism: The Secret History of Women's Liberation*, joins Joe Rogan to trace feminism's origins from 19th-century suffrage movements through Cold War CIA funding of Ms. Magazine, examining how figures like Margaret Sanger, Gloria Steinem, and Susan B. Anthony shaped a movement Wilson argues was never driven by grassroots women's demand but by socialist, eugenicist, and intelligence-agency agendas.
Key Questions Answered
- •Women opposed suffrage in majority numbers: Historical records show anti-suffrage groups in the US and England far outnumbered pro-suffrage groups among women. In Massachusetts, the largest referendum allowing women to vote on whether they wanted suffrage, only 4% of participating women supported it. Pro-suffrage leaders Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony subsequently banned women from voting on the question altogether — a fact omitted from the 12 most widely used Western university women's history textbooks, according to professor Joseph Miller's analysis.
- •CIA funding shaped second-wave feminism: Gloria Steinem was recruited from Smith College via a fabricated fellowship called the Chester Bowles Fellowship, which did not exist prior to her recruitment. The CIA sent her to India, Eastern Europe, and across the US to promote feminist ideology as part of Cold War liberal democracy promotion strategy. Ms. Magazine was subsequently launched with CIA funding. The agency's calculation was that mobilizing women as a political bloc would counter Soviet communism by expanding Democrat-aligned voter bases.
- •Doubling the labor force suppressed male wages permanently: Prior to the 1970s, roughly 5% of mothers with school-aged children worked outside the home. Within approximately 20 years of pushing women into universities and workplaces, female workforce participation reached near parity with men, effectively doubling the labor supply. Men's wages never recovered relative to inflation, creating the modern two-income trap where even families preferring a single-income household cannot sustain one — a structural economic shift Wilson attributes directly to feminist workforce policy.
- •Women's higher education is the single strongest predictor of falling birth rates: Regardless of race, economics, culture, or national status, women's access to higher education correlates more strongly with declining birth rates than any other measured variable worldwide. Wilson argues this is not coincidental but by design, citing 19th-century Marxist writers August Bebel and Alexandra Kollontai, who explicitly wrote that pulling women into the workforce and universities would politicize them into revolutionaries and reduce family formation — a stated strategic goal, not a side effect.
- •Margaret Sanger fabricated the foundational case for birth control and abortion access: Sanger claimed her mother died from overbreeding and constructed a story about a woman named Sadie Sachs dying because doctors withheld contraceptive knowledge. Both stories are documented fabrications — her mother died of tuberculosis. The Margaret Sanger Papers Project, which archives virtually everything she produced, holds only three letters from the thousands she claimed to have received from overburdened mothers. Sanger was simultaneously funded by the Rockefeller Foundation and connected to Nazi-era scientists who synthesized early hormonal birth control as a eugenics tool.
- •Feminist history was institutionally rewritten through Ford and Rockefeller-funded gender studies departments: Gender studies and women's studies departments were created in the late 1960s with direct funding from the Ford Foundation, with additional support from Rockefeller and Carnegie foundations. Their function, Wilson argues, was to serve as university-based PR infrastructure for Marxist and feminist ideology. These departments systematically omitted the movement's documented connections to prostitution rings, socialist men, polygamists, occultists, and con artists — associations that were publicly known and debated at the time of the original suffrage campaigns.
- •The economic cost of maternal workforce participation is largely invisible in standard accounting: When a mother returns to work two weeks postpartum, the net financial calculation frequently includes: childcare costs consuming roughly half of take-home pay, a second vehicle plus insurance, work wardrobe expenses, commute-related fuel taxes, and payroll taxes — while delivering approximately two hours of daily contact with the child. Wilson frames this not as personal choice analysis but as a structural outcome of feminist economic policy that simultaneously transferred domestic labor to corporations, expanded the tax base, and removed children from parental influence into state-run educational institutions.
Notable Moment
Wilson describes how Victoria Woodhull, one of the most celebrated early American feminists and the first woman to run a major newspaper, was simultaneously a wanted con artist in multiple states for selling fraudulent cancer cures to dying patients. Woodhull also operated a prostitution network whose clients provided Wall Street insider information that Cornelius Vanderbilt used to profit approximately 26 million dollars in today's money during the first Black Friday.
Episode Transcript
Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Showing my day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Hello, Rachel. What's happening? Hello, Joe. Very nice to see you again. Good to see you. So when your husband, Andrew, came in here, he told me about your book. And then I talked to you, and you seemed very interesting. And you gave me, like, a little brief synopsis of it. And so then I listened to it on audio tape, and it's fucking crazy. And it is the Occult Feminism, The Secret History of Women's Liberation. You know, I didn't really have much of an opinion on feminism. I my my opinion was, you know, unfortunately, you run into some feminist that just seemed did not like men for whatever reason. And, you know, there's a lot of people in this world that aren't happy with their position or station in life, but I didn't really think too much into how this all got started until I listened to your book. And I'm like, this is kind of bonkers. So before we get into your book, like, how did you decide to write about this? Like, what what was your little journey? Oh. Or big journey? Yeah. It's kind of a big journey. So, when I was growing up, I was like a in all the advanced kid classes. And from the time I was in, like, kindergarten, it was just pounded into my head. Like, you're going to college. You're going to have a career. It you know, you're smart, and you have to do something with that. It was, like, the only option that was put before me. And so I followed that path, like, all the way through school. And by the time I got done with twelve years of regular school, I realized a couple things. One is, school is not where you go to learn things. School isn't nest public school is not so great for smart people for the most part and that I really didn't like. Like, another four years of school just sounded like hell to me. And I really just wanted to get married and have kids. That's kinda what I always wanted to do, much to the horror of my Marxist feminist mother, who did not like that. Indoctrinated at an early age. Well, she tried, but I was the why kid. I was the kid that's just like why? Why? Yeah. But why? And I had, like, a Rush Limbaugh dad. Wow. Yeah. They got divorced. Shocker. Who could have seen it coming? So they got divorced when I was, like, nine, and I had so I grew up in, like, two worlds. I had, like, republican business owner Rush Limbaugh dad, and I had Marxist feminist crazy mom. Was the mom always Marxist feminist, and was the the the dad always, like, a Rush Limbaugh Republican? Yep. How did they fall in love? How did all …
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“Gloria Steinem was recruited from Smith College via a fabricated fellowship called the Chester Bowles Fellowship, which did not exist prior to her recruitment. The CIA sent her to India, Eastern Europe, and across the US to promote feminist ideology as part of Cold War liberal democracy promotion strategy. Ms. Magazine was subsequently launched with CIA funding.”
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