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#2426 - Cameron Hanes & Adam Greentree

194 min episode · 2 min read
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Cameron Hanes

Episode

194 min

Read time

2 min

Topics

Health & Wellness, Leadership, Sales & Revenue

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Key Takeaways

  • Wildlife Management Economics: California kills over 100 mountain lions annually through depredation permits at taxpayer expense, while neighboring states like Utah allow year-round hunting with just a hunting license, generating revenue while effectively controlling populations through hunter participation and mandatory check-ins within 48 hours.
  • Predator Impact Data: Mountain lions in California consume 50% dogs and cats based on diet analysis from culled animals, with individual lions killing approximately 50 deer annually. Japan faces record bear attacks with 13 fatalities and 200 injuries in 2025 after hunting bans created unmanaged populations requiring military intervention.
  • Backcountry Logistics Strategy: Successful wilderness elk hunts require coordinating multiple packers who can cover miles of terrain overnight. Hanes' Oregon hunt involved eight men packing 300 pounds of boned meat plus gear, demonstrating that remote hunting success depends on building networks of capable individuals willing to deploy on short notice.
  • Hunting Shot Calculations: Shooting steep downhill angles requires understanding rangefinder compensation—a 60-yard straight-down shot reads as 42 yards because gravity affects arrow trajectory differently. Hunters must account for wind thermals that shift at sunset, sun position affecting visibility, and animal behavior when planning approach routes and shooting lanes.
  • Modern Longevity Advantage: Current 50-60 year old hunters combine 40 years of accumulated field experience with stem cell treatments, IV therapies, and optimized supplementation to maintain peak physical performance, creating an unprecedented window where wisdom and physical capability align for maximum hunting effectiveness that previous generations never achieved.

What It Covers

Joe Rogan, Cameron Hanes, and Adam Greentree discuss mountain lion and grizzly bear management, the necessity of hunting for wildlife population control, backcountry elk hunting challenges, and how modern society disconnects people from natural survival experiences that define human fulfillment.

Key Questions Answered

  • Wildlife Management Economics: California kills over 100 mountain lions annually through depredation permits at taxpayer expense, while neighboring states like Utah allow year-round hunting with just a hunting license, generating revenue while effectively controlling populations through hunter participation and mandatory check-ins within 48 hours.
  • Predator Impact Data: Mountain lions in California consume 50% dogs and cats based on diet analysis from culled animals, with individual lions killing approximately 50 deer annually. Japan faces record bear attacks with 13 fatalities and 200 injuries in 2025 after hunting bans created unmanaged populations requiring military intervention.
  • Backcountry Logistics Strategy: Successful wilderness elk hunts require coordinating multiple packers who can cover miles of terrain overnight. Hanes' Oregon hunt involved eight men packing 300 pounds of boned meat plus gear, demonstrating that remote hunting success depends on building networks of capable individuals willing to deploy on short notice.
  • Hunting Shot Calculations: Shooting steep downhill angles requires understanding rangefinder compensation—a 60-yard straight-down shot reads as 42 yards because gravity affects arrow trajectory differently. Hunters must account for wind thermals that shift at sunset, sun position affecting visibility, and animal behavior when planning approach routes and shooting lanes.
  • Modern Longevity Advantage: Current 50-60 year old hunters combine 40 years of accumulated field experience with stem cell treatments, IV therapies, and optimized supplementation to maintain peak physical performance, creating an unprecedented window where wisdom and physical capability align for maximum hunting effectiveness that previous generations never achieved.

Notable Moment

Hanes' brother Taylor encountered a mountain lion while running at night in Lake Forest, California, just half a mile from the city. The lion pursued him for over 100 yards despite aggressive deterrence attempts, forcing him to repeatedly turn and scream while kicking rocks, nearly accepting death before the animal finally broke off the chase.

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Episode Transcript

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Showing my day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Hey. We're live. Hey. We're live. Gentlemen, Gentlemen, what's happening? What is going on? Good to see you. Good to see you guys again. Bow hunting brothers. Yeah. We're just talking about the mountain lion that we have in the lobby and how insane that thing is. So, Adam, you shot that mountain lion when? I think it was about six or seven years ago now. And you ate it, and I ate some of it. You sent some to me. It's really good, believe it or not, ladies and gentlemen. You wouldn't think so, but it's incredible. Everybody says it's like they they the way they describe is like a I think Renella said this, a superior pork. Yeah. Yeah. It's like I I think of it as a cross between venison and chicken. And then and I only did it quick on the barbecue, and I'm not a great cook. But it was that tender and that tasty. But the the story behind the mountain lion's nuts. Like, that was a, like, a murderous mountain lion. Mhmm. It it was I felt a bit funny about it to start with because, like, the dogs do all the hunting. Right? The dogs smell it. The dogs find it. They put it up in a tree. But the further I looked into it, I'm like, well, you need the tree because you wanna sex it and you wanna age it. You know, you wanna make sure it's a lion that's, you know, old and it has to be a male to shoot it in Colorado, at least at the time you had to anyway. So it was actually the perfect way to hunt, but then seeing how destructive that individual lion was at least, I was telling Cam about this when we got here that it must have grabbed the cow, like a beef cow. Must have grabbed it on the neck, and the cow couldn't move, you know, but it was still fully alive internally. And vocally, it was still alive. And when we got there, the mountain lion was, like, eating it from its rear end, And it'd been there for at least an hour or two because there was quite a lot of meat that had been eaten out from the cow's ass. Oh. And, Kicking its hooves. Yeah. And it just but the cow couldn't get up. So it was it was literally eating it while it was still alive. And as the dogs are running down there, you could hear this cow off in the distance just, like, screaming, like, mooing flat out. Oh. And you could tell something was wrong. The dogs got there. The line ran off. We end up calling the rancher in. The rancher come out, put the cow out of its misery, still screaming on the ground right in front …

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