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Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

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Suzanne Maloney

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Key Takeaways

  • Strait of Hormuz leverage: Iran reduced daily tanker traffic through the strait from 130-140 vessels to a handful, disrupting roughly 20% of global oil and gas exports. This weapon grows more powerful over time, not less — as shortages shift from futures-priced fears to material present-day scarcity, Iran's negotiating position strengthens while U.S. political pressure to end the conflict intensifies.
  • Economic cascade timeline: Markets have not fully priced in a prolonged strait closure. Asia is already experiencing severe price increases closer to the supply source. Within weeks, the U.S. faces $6-plus gasoline, food price spikes, fertilizer shortages, and chip supply disruptions from helium scarcity — a supply chain shock Prime Minister Modi compared directly to COVID-19's global economic disruption.
  • Regime survival as strategic victory: Iran's leadership concluded the regime survived the war's primary objective of forced collapse. Despite Khamenei's death on day one and thousands of strikes, no popular uprising materialized — January 2025 protesters had been massacred weeks earlier, and the regime sent explicit warnings via text message to suppress any opportunistic dissent during the military campaign.
  • Nuclear program status post-strikes: Iran retains the technical expertise, enrichment knowledge, and stockpiles of highly enriched uranium — possibly buried at Isfahan or dispersed sites — needed to reconstitute a weapons program. The supreme leader who historically constrained weaponization decisions is now dead, and his replacement is more closely aligned with the Revolutionary Guard and less likely to maintain that restraint.
  • Iran's five-point counter-proposal: Rather than accepting U.S. demands to end enrichment, dismantle ballistic missiles, and cut proxy support, Iran seeks reparations, retention of Strait of Hormuz control, and the ability to monetize passage rights. Critically, several Iranian objectives — toll collection on strait traffic and increased oil export revenue from sanctions relief — are already partially materializing without requiring U.S. agreement.

What It Covers

Ezra Klein interviews Brookings Institution Iran expert Suzanne Maloney about the U.S.-Iran war, examining why Iran believes it holds strategic leverage despite absorbing over 10,000 strikes, how Strait of Hormuz closure threatens the global economy, and why neither regime collapse nor a negotiated victory appears achievable for the Trump administration.

Key Questions Answered

  • Strait of Hormuz leverage: Iran reduced daily tanker traffic through the strait from 130-140 vessels to a handful, disrupting roughly 20% of global oil and gas exports. This weapon grows more powerful over time, not less — as shortages shift from futures-priced fears to material present-day scarcity, Iran's negotiating position strengthens while U.S. political pressure to end the conflict intensifies.
  • Economic cascade timeline: Markets have not fully priced in a prolonged strait closure. Asia is already experiencing severe price increases closer to the supply source. Within weeks, the U.S. faces $6-plus gasoline, food price spikes, fertilizer shortages, and chip supply disruptions from helium scarcity — a supply chain shock Prime Minister Modi compared directly to COVID-19's global economic disruption.
  • Regime survival as strategic victory: Iran's leadership concluded the regime survived the war's primary objective of forced collapse. Despite Khamenei's death on day one and thousands of strikes, no popular uprising materialized — January 2025 protesters had been massacred weeks earlier, and the regime sent explicit warnings via text message to suppress any opportunistic dissent during the military campaign.
  • Nuclear program status post-strikes: Iran retains the technical expertise, enrichment knowledge, and stockpiles of highly enriched uranium — possibly buried at Isfahan or dispersed sites — needed to reconstitute a weapons program. The supreme leader who historically constrained weaponization decisions is now dead, and his replacement is more closely aligned with the Revolutionary Guard and less likely to maintain that restraint.
  • Iran's five-point counter-proposal: Rather than accepting U.S. demands to end enrichment, dismantle ballistic missiles, and cut proxy support, Iran seeks reparations, retention of Strait of Hormuz control, and the ability to monetize passage rights. Critically, several Iranian objectives — toll collection on strait traffic and increased oil export revenue from sanctions relief — are already partially materializing without requiring U.S. agreement.
  • Lessons Iran is internalizing: Iran is studying this war the way it studied the Iran-Iraq conflict — through systematic institutional analysis. Key conclusions forming within leadership: time asymmetry favors Iran over the U.S., strait control provides escalating leverage, negotiations with Washington cannot be trusted across administrations, and the only durable deterrent is the capacity to impose catastrophic economic pain on the global system.

Notable Moment

Maloney argues that the most dangerous long-term outcome is not a weakened Iran but an emboldened one — a regime that survived two technologically superior adversaries, learned its deterrence capabilities work, and concluded that diplomacy with the U.S. is structurally unreliable, pushing it toward nuclear weapons as the only credible permanent security guarantee.

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Episode Transcript

What is the status of America's war with Iran? If you are trying to follow it through what President Trump is saying, you are going to be, I have become, hopelessly lost. Trump, within a single day, will veer wildly between saying the war is almost over and that he's preparing to escalate it dramatically. That negotiations are going great and that there's no one to talk to. That Iran must open the Strait Of Hormuz and that America doesn't care if it's closed. On Wednesday night, in a nationally televised address, Trump sought to finally clear the fog to make the path forward clear to the American people and to our allies. I've made clear from the beginning of Operation Epic Fury that we will continue until our objectives are fully achieved. Thanks to the progress we've made, I can say tonight that we are on track to complete all of America's military objectives shortly, very shortly. We're going to hit them extremely hard over the next two to three weeks. We're going to bring them back to the stone ages where they belong. In the meantime It's all hard to say which goals exactly we've achieved. Because from another perspective, Iran seems to think it's winning this war. The regime has survived. It has learned how much power it can exert over the world economy by choking off the Strait Of Hormuz. It has seen sanctions lifted on its oil. It's it's looking towards a new order where it charges countries to pass through the strait. And Trump appears to be abandoning the strait. That, I think, was the most shocking part of his speech, telling our allies it's their problem now. The promise Trump made was an end to threats from Iran. He repeated that promise on Wednesday night. Tonight, every American can look forward to a day when we are finally free from the wickedness of Iranian aggression and the specter of nuclear blackmail. Because of the actions we have taken, we are on the cusp of ending Iran's sinister threat to America and the world. And I'll tell you, the world is watching. But if you listen to experts on Iran, that is not what they see coming. What they see coming is an Iran that has learned quite a lot from this war and that might emerge from it much more dangerous. Suzanne Maloney is the vice president and director of the Brookings Institution's foreign policy program. She is one of Washington's leading Iran experts, having advised multiple presidential administrations, both Democratic and Republican, and written or edited a number of books on Iran. And I was really surprised how blunt she was here. Iran, she said, thinks it's winning this war, and there's a good case that they are. We spoke on Wednesday morning before Trump's speech, but his speech reflected her analysis almost perfectly. As always, my email is reclineshow@nytimes.com. Suzanne Maloney, welcome to the show. Thanks so much for having me. …

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