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Episode 198 - October 2, 2026

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60 min

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3 min

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Relationships, Investing, Fundraising & VC

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Key Takeaways

  • ✓XBI Sector Divergence: The XBI's 27% YTD gain masks severe underlying dispersion — heavily shorted, under-owned names like Moderna, Iovance, and Summit propped up the index while broadly held specialist fund positions declined sharply. Investors should monitor Morgan Stanley prime broker dispersion data to distinguish index-level performance from actual portfolio exposure, as the two have diverged significantly since late August's $169 XBI peak.
  • ✓Dupixent Patent Extension: Sanofi's CFO signaled the Dupixent composition-of-matter patent could extend from 2031 to approximately late 2037, aligning with independent patent analysis. Investors tracking IL-4/IL-13 pathway assets should factor this extended runway into LOE modeling. The Regeneron-Sanofi deal adds four next-generation antibodies — including an IL-13 lead, a bispecific, a "super dupey," and a long-acting IL-4 — targeting less frequent dosing to preempt biosimilar competition.
  • ✓Summit-AstraZeneca Deal Structure: AstraZeneca's $2B equity stake at a premium in Summit Therapeutics represents a novel deal structure where the strategic partner co-funds R&D trials — a structure rarely seen in PD-1/VEGF collaborations. Investors should watch the Harmony 3 trial readout on vunicimab for PFS data with a directional OS signal; an "immature OS" comment at readout would likely be interpreted negatively by the market.
  • ✓GLP-1 Weight Loss Benchmarks: Lilly's retatrutide (GLP-1/GIP/glucagon triple agonist) achieved 21% weight loss in diabetic patients at 80 weeks in the TRIUMF-2 trial, crossing a threshold considered difficult in this population. A separate tirzepatide-amylin combination showed 23.3% weight loss at 48 weeks but carried a 27% discontinuation rate versus 3% for tirzepatide alone — a safety signal that regulators and competitors developing combination obesity therapies should weigh carefully.
  • ✓Gene Therapy Durability Risk: Unicure's Huntington's disease gene therapy AMT-130 showed disease progression slowing drop from 75% at the prior update to 44% at four years, sending shares down 37% in a single session. Investors evaluating gene therapy assets should stress-test durability assumptions across multi-year follow-up periods, as early efficacy signals in phase 1/2 studies may not hold, particularly in CNS indications where delivery and expression consistency remain unresolved challenges.

What It Covers

Biotech Hangout Episode 198 covers Q3 2026 biotech market performance with XBI up 27% year-to-date, major BD deals including Regeneron-Sanofi's $8B INI collaboration and AstraZeneca's $2B Summit equity investment, FDA approvals for FOP and Parkinson's treatments, and clinical data from WCLC and EASD conferences covering lung cancer and GLP-1 obesity therapies.

Key Questions Answered

  • •XBI Sector Divergence: The XBI's 27% YTD gain masks severe underlying dispersion — heavily shorted, under-owned names like Moderna, Iovance, and Summit propped up the index while broadly held specialist fund positions declined sharply. Investors should monitor Morgan Stanley prime broker dispersion data to distinguish index-level performance from actual portfolio exposure, as the two have diverged significantly since late August's $169 XBI peak.
  • •Dupixent Patent Extension: Sanofi's CFO signaled the Dupixent composition-of-matter patent could extend from 2031 to approximately late 2037, aligning with independent patent analysis. Investors tracking IL-4/IL-13 pathway assets should factor this extended runway into LOE modeling. The Regeneron-Sanofi deal adds four next-generation antibodies — including an IL-13 lead, a bispecific, a "super dupey," and a long-acting IL-4 — targeting less frequent dosing to preempt biosimilar competition.
  • •Summit-AstraZeneca Deal Structure: AstraZeneca's $2B equity stake at a premium in Summit Therapeutics represents a novel deal structure where the strategic partner co-funds R&D trials — a structure rarely seen in PD-1/VEGF collaborations. Investors should watch the Harmony 3 trial readout on vunicimab for PFS data with a directional OS signal; an "immature OS" comment at readout would likely be interpreted negatively by the market.
  • •GLP-1 Weight Loss Benchmarks: Lilly's retatrutide (GLP-1/GIP/glucagon triple agonist) achieved 21% weight loss in diabetic patients at 80 weeks in the TRIUMF-2 trial, crossing a threshold considered difficult in this population. A separate tirzepatide-amylin combination showed 23.3% weight loss at 48 weeks but carried a 27% discontinuation rate versus 3% for tirzepatide alone — a safety signal that regulators and competitors developing combination obesity therapies should weigh carefully.
  • •Gene Therapy Durability Risk: Unicure's Huntington's disease gene therapy AMT-130 showed disease progression slowing drop from 75% at the prior update to 44% at four years, sending shares down 37% in a single session. Investors evaluating gene therapy assets should stress-test durability assumptions across multi-year follow-up periods, as early efficacy signals in phase 1/2 studies may not hold, particularly in CNS indications where delivery and expression consistency remain unresolved challenges.
  • •China Biotech Deal Velocity: Three China-originated biotech deals closed in one week: Novo Nordisk paid $300M upfront plus $2.6B for Henri's GLP-1/GIP bispecific, Merck paid $400M upfront plus $2.13B for Cybranch's oral KRAS G12D inhibitor, and Novartis paid $575M upfront plus $7.2B for Avogene's mRNA CD19/CD3 T-cell engager. Investors tracking oncology and metabolic disease pipelines should monitor Chinese biotechs as a consistent source of late-stage licensing targets.

Notable Moment

Emix Biopharma reported an 89% complete response rate for its BCMA CAR-T in AL amyloidosis — a disease with no approved therapies and current CR rates of 5–35% — yet the stock fell nearly 10% on the day because the company simultaneously announced a concurrent follow-on financing, locking in price and eliminating upside momentum from the data.

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Episode Transcript

You're listening to Biotech Hangout, a live and unedited weekly discussion of all the latest news in our industry with a group of biotech leaders and experts. I'm Greg Savonovec, and my cohosts today are Sam Fazeli, Eric Schmidt, and Brian Skorney. For more information about our hosts and guest speakers or to listen to the most recent episode, please go to biotechhangout.com. So happy Friday, everyone. First Friday of October. Just three more months till the end of the year and through the first nine months of twenty twenty six. I'd say the year for biotech continues to be generally a good one. Our show today will be structured as follows. We'll first revisit where we stand in the public biotech markets. Next, we'll discuss this week's BD deals, other company specific news, and some more notable data disclosures, and then provide, hopefully, a concise review of recent higher profile medical conferences and perhaps just touch upon some upcoming medical conferences in what typically is a very busy fall medical conference season. But to start off, let's talk about biotech sector performance through the first three quarters of this year. At a high level, generally speaking, we continue to have, in my opinion, a very good year in biotech. And by that, I specifically mean the public markets. The XBI, which is an ETF, is up 27% for the year, which is meaningfully ahead of the XLV, which is a broader health care ETF, which is up just 7% year to date. And then bigger picture when we think about investing in the market here in The US, The XBI is handily outperforming the S and P five hundred, which is up 13% year to date, and even the tech rich Nasdaq, which is plus 17% year to date. That said, it has been quite choppy over the past couple months months now. Recall we hit a high in the XBI in late August at the $169 level, which means we are down about, 9% or so since then. And while I think overall biotech fundamentals are very much intact giving... Given increasing macro uncertainty with the potential of rising interest rates here in The US and continued risk of, say, rising energy prices and geopolitical uncertainty. More broadly speaking, I think it's important to be mindful that the higher reward, but also higher risk biotech sector could be impacted. I'm just gonna touch upon the biotech IPO market. And by my unofficial count, I think we are at 23 biotechs that have made their debut this year. Maybe I might have missed one or two, but I we're almost at 25. With several more coming, including the likes of T Rex Bio, Iambic Therapeutics, and also Citi Therapeutics, a company we've mentioned on a previous biotech hangout podcast earlier this year. And so it's looking like we could easily end up somewhere on this pace in the 30 plus range for US biotech IPOs, a bit above, admittedly, …

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