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Episode 194 - August 28, 2026

61 min episode · 3 min read
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Eric Schmidt,Sam Fazeli,Greg Suvannovich

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61 min

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3 min

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Productivity, Health & Wellness, Investing

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Key Takeaways

  • Biotech M&A vs. Equity Shift: M&A activity in small-to-mid cap biotech has reached $143 billion year-to-date, more than double the $66 billion seen at the 2020–2021 peak, while equity issuance sits at only $59 billion. Investors should note that this M&A-heavy structure, combined with zero preclinical IPOs this cycle versus 19 before the last peak, signals a far more selective and fundamentals-driven capital market environment.
  • Moderna mRNA Cancer Vaccine Franchise Durability: Moderna's INTERPATH-001 phase three trial demonstrated recurrence-free survival and distant metastasis-free survival benefits in resected melanoma patients using a personalized neoantigen mRNA vaccine plus Keytruda. The proprietary algorithm selecting neoantigens is expected to remain a trade secret, meaning no generic version is possible, creating a potentially perpetual franchise with analysts estimating up to $12 billion in non-risk-adjusted peak value.
  • Revolution Medicines RAS(ON)Q Pricing and Label Nuance: Rasaguilib received FDA approval for pancreatic cancer priced at $478,000 annually, exceeding analyst estimates of $275,000 and surpassing most oncology small molecules except Vitrakvy at $518,000. Critically, the label permits use in patients ineligible for chemotherapy as a frontline agent, which could shift prescribing patterns and complicate clinical trial design for next-generation PDAC therapies including PRMT5 inhibitors.
  • ATTR Gene Silencer Class Reassessment: AstraZeneca and Ionis's CardioTRANSFORM phase three study showed eplontersen added no cardiovascular benefit over tafamidis stabilizer alone, with combination patients performing marginally worse. Physicians currently combining Alnylam's vutisiran with stabilizers now lack clinical evidence supporting that practice. Investors should distinguish between antisense and RNAi mechanisms before extrapolating this result to vutisiran's HARMONY-3 readout expected in approximately nine months.
  • FDA Commissioner Nomination Risk Map: Trump nominee Heidi Overton, a physician with a Johns Hopkins PhD and roughly three to four years of government experience, faces Senate confirmation scrutiny over limited management experience and association with vaccine-skeptic health policy. If confirmed, rare diseases, gene therapy, neurology, cell therapy, and precision oncology stand to benefit from clinical trial modernization, while vaccine developers and reproductive health companies face elevated regulatory uncertainty.

What It Covers

Biotech Hangout Episode 194 covers the XBI's 80% twelve-month rally, Moderna's mRNA cancer vaccine phase three success in melanoma, Revolution Medicines' FDA approval for pancreatic cancer at $478,000 annually, the Heidi Overton FDA commissioner nomination, ATTR cardiomyopathy gene silencer data failure, and escalating drug pricing concerns across newly approved therapies.

Key Questions Answered

  • Biotech M&A vs. Equity Shift: M&A activity in small-to-mid cap biotech has reached $143 billion year-to-date, more than double the $66 billion seen at the 2020–2021 peak, while equity issuance sits at only $59 billion. Investors should note that this M&A-heavy structure, combined with zero preclinical IPOs this cycle versus 19 before the last peak, signals a far more selective and fundamentals-driven capital market environment.
  • Moderna mRNA Cancer Vaccine Franchise Durability: Moderna's INTERPATH-001 phase three trial demonstrated recurrence-free survival and distant metastasis-free survival benefits in resected melanoma patients using a personalized neoantigen mRNA vaccine plus Keytruda. The proprietary algorithm selecting neoantigens is expected to remain a trade secret, meaning no generic version is possible, creating a potentially perpetual franchise with analysts estimating up to $12 billion in non-risk-adjusted peak value.
  • Revolution Medicines RAS(ON)Q Pricing and Label Nuance: Rasaguilib received FDA approval for pancreatic cancer priced at $478,000 annually, exceeding analyst estimates of $275,000 and surpassing most oncology small molecules except Vitrakvy at $518,000. Critically, the label permits use in patients ineligible for chemotherapy as a frontline agent, which could shift prescribing patterns and complicate clinical trial design for next-generation PDAC therapies including PRMT5 inhibitors.
  • ATTR Gene Silencer Class Reassessment: AstraZeneca and Ionis's CardioTRANSFORM phase three study showed eplontersen added no cardiovascular benefit over tafamidis stabilizer alone, with combination patients performing marginally worse. Physicians currently combining Alnylam's vutisiran with stabilizers now lack clinical evidence supporting that practice. Investors should distinguish between antisense and RNAi mechanisms before extrapolating this result to vutisiran's HARMONY-3 readout expected in approximately nine months.
  • FDA Commissioner Nomination Risk Map: Trump nominee Heidi Overton, a physician with a Johns Hopkins PhD and roughly three to four years of government experience, faces Senate confirmation scrutiny over limited management experience and association with vaccine-skeptic health policy. If confirmed, rare diseases, gene therapy, neurology, cell therapy, and precision oncology stand to benefit from clinical trial modernization, while vaccine developers and reproductive health companies face elevated regulatory uncertainty.
  • Drug Pricing Trajectory Benchmark: Newly approved rare disease drugs are pricing at levels that consistently exceed analyst models, with recent rare endocrine approvals averaging $280,000–$285,000 annually and outliers like Brepo exceeding $400,000. Analysts building revenue models should recalibrate pricing assumptions upward toward recent class averages rather than historical midpoints, while monitoring gross-to-net discount structures that can materially reduce net revenue relative to list price.

Notable Moment

A longtime skeptic of evanesquimab publicly reversed his negative stance after AKESO reported overall survival benefit in biliary tract carcinoma, a tumor type where prior PD-L1 plus VEGF combinations failed entirely. The analyst concluded that the VEGF-PD-1 bispecific class appears to produce genuinely differentiated biology rather than additive monotherapy effects.

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Episode Transcript

You're listening to biotech hangout, a live and unedited weekly discussion of all the latest news in our industry with a group of biotech experts. I'm Daphne Zohar, and my cohosts today are Eric Schmidt, Sam Fazeli, and Greg Suvannovich. For more information about our hosts and guest speakers or to listen to the most recent episode, please go to biotechhangout.com. Sam I can't I think, Sam, you need to go onto mute. I can hear you in the background. So it's been a great run for biotech. I haven't looked today. I think it's down. But overall, the XBI was up around 80% over the past twelve months, massively outperforming the S and P, which was up only around 20% over the same period. Despite all the noise around China, MFN, tariffs, FDA leadership, and general policy uncertainty, biotech capital markets have been pretty strong. We've already seen 20 IPOs this year versus just nine in 2025, including some of the largest biotech IPOs on record with Parabolus and Kilera. Part of this is driven by the m and a momentum, which doesn't look like it's anywhere near slowing down. We were we're already past twenty twenty five's full year deal total with more than $30,000,000,000 plus deals and roughly a 138,000,000,000 announced year to date. A lot of that is being driven by Big Pharma's patent cliff. We've talked a lot about that, an estimated 180,000,000,000 of, impact there through 2032. So they need the growth, and they're increasingly willing to compete for it. There's more bidders per deal. There's less patience to wait around for data. Interestingly, premiums have been compressing a bit even as the bidding gets more competitive. I assume some of that is that m and a expectation is already priced into public stocks. One interesting side note is if you look at XBI's membership since the last peak in February 2021, Of the 169 components back then, only 74 are still in the index today. So that's roughly a quarter I'm sorry, roughly half. Roughly a quarter of those exits were the good kind, acquisitions, but a third fell out by dropping below the market cap threshold. And one of the things that I think is really important to note is that the mix underneath this rally looks pretty different. So if you look back to the last peaks, Midcap bio, m and a was about 67,000,000,000, and 66,000,000,000 was the equity issuance. So issuance and m and a were balanced. This year, this past year, Smid Biotech, m and a has run around a 143,000,000,000, which is more than double the 2020 and 2021 piece, and there's only been about 59,000,000,000 of equity issuance. So m and a is running well ahead of issuance now, and IPOs, while coming back, are much more selective. I I don't know if you guys know of one, but I don't think there's been a preclinical IPO this cycle versus 19 in the year before the …

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