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Josh Shapiro on Trump, Iran War Chaos, Israel's Failure, the Economy, and 2028 Race

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Josh Shapiro

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61 min

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3 min

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Health & Wellness, Investing, Fundraising & VC

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Key Takeaways

  • Permitting reform as economic driver: Pennsylvania moved from bottom-five to top-five nationally in permitting speed by adopting a "get to yes" philosophy, implementing a money-back guarantee if permits miss deadlines, and combining executive orders with bipartisan legislation. Of 40 million permits issued, only 5 required refunds. A barber license that took 20 days now processes same-day, recovering roughly $4,000 in lost income per applicant during the wait period.
  • Fraud prosecution as governance standard: Shapiro prioritizes Medicaid fraud prosecution above nearly every other state, using an Office of Inspector General and reimbursement-based payment structures rather than upfront funding. Prosecuting PPP loan fraud during COVID established the template. The actionable principle: zero-tolerance enforcement paired with structural controls — requiring proof of service before payment — reduces fraud more effectively than audits after the fact.
  • Workforce development without degree requirements: On day one as governor, Shapiro eliminated college degree requirements for 80,000 state government positions. Currently 60% of all state hires lack a degree. Vocational-technical and apprenticeship funding tripled. Welders and HVAC technicians in Pennsylvania earn six-figure salaries. This approach directly addresses the 62% of Pennsylvania adults who hold no college degree, expanding the qualified labor pool substantially.
  • Undefined military objectives guarantee failed outcomes: Shapiro argues Trump's Iran intervention failed strategically because no clear mission was ever articulated publicly. Without a defined objective, exit criteria cannot exist, military commanders lack proper guidance, and accountability disappears. The practical governance lesson: any high-stakes executive action — military, regulatory, or economic — requires a stated measurable goal before deployment, not after casualties and costs have already accumulated.
  • Democratic platform framing for 2026 midterms: Shapiro frames a four-pillar alternative to Trump: public education investment, community safety (2,000 additional police officers hired, violent crime down 12%), pro-growth economic policy, and personal freedom against government overreach on books, healthcare, and voting access. He adds housing — a $1 billion Pennsylvania fund targeting construction and repair of pre-1950 stock — as a fifth pillar resonating specifically with younger voters priced out of homeownership.

What It Covers

Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro outlines his governing record — 40 million permits issued with only 5 refunds, 12% violent crime reduction, 42% drop in fatal gun violence — while critiquing Trump's Iran war rationale, the Republican Congress's abdication of constitutional oversight, and laying out a Democratic platform centered on education, safety, economic growth, and freedom.

Key Questions Answered

  • Permitting reform as economic driver: Pennsylvania moved from bottom-five to top-five nationally in permitting speed by adopting a "get to yes" philosophy, implementing a money-back guarantee if permits miss deadlines, and combining executive orders with bipartisan legislation. Of 40 million permits issued, only 5 required refunds. A barber license that took 20 days now processes same-day, recovering roughly $4,000 in lost income per applicant during the wait period.
  • Fraud prosecution as governance standard: Shapiro prioritizes Medicaid fraud prosecution above nearly every other state, using an Office of Inspector General and reimbursement-based payment structures rather than upfront funding. Prosecuting PPP loan fraud during COVID established the template. The actionable principle: zero-tolerance enforcement paired with structural controls — requiring proof of service before payment — reduces fraud more effectively than audits after the fact.
  • Workforce development without degree requirements: On day one as governor, Shapiro eliminated college degree requirements for 80,000 state government positions. Currently 60% of all state hires lack a degree. Vocational-technical and apprenticeship funding tripled. Welders and HVAC technicians in Pennsylvania earn six-figure salaries. This approach directly addresses the 62% of Pennsylvania adults who hold no college degree, expanding the qualified labor pool substantially.
  • Undefined military objectives guarantee failed outcomes: Shapiro argues Trump's Iran intervention failed strategically because no clear mission was ever articulated publicly. Without a defined objective, exit criteria cannot exist, military commanders lack proper guidance, and accountability disappears. The practical governance lesson: any high-stakes executive action — military, regulatory, or economic — requires a stated measurable goal before deployment, not after casualties and costs have already accumulated.
  • Democratic platform framing for 2026 midterms: Shapiro frames a four-pillar alternative to Trump: public education investment, community safety (2,000 additional police officers hired, violent crime down 12%), pro-growth economic policy, and personal freedom against government overreach on books, healthcare, and voting access. He adds housing — a $1 billion Pennsylvania fund targeting construction and repair of pre-1950 stock — as a fifth pillar resonating specifically with younger voters priced out of homeownership.
  • Separating antisemitism from Israel policy debate: Shapiro draws a firm distinction between condemning antisemitism — which he argues requires zero nuance and universal cross-partisan agreement — and debating Israeli government policy, which warrants open criticism. He has publicly criticized Netanyahu for years as isolating Israel internationally and failing on October 7 security. Conflating Jewish identity with Israeli state policy repeats a dual-loyalty trope that fuels campus harassment rather than resolving legitimate foreign policy disagreements.

Notable Moment

Shapiro revealed he personally withdrew from vice presidential consideration roughly 48 hours before Kamala Harris selected Tim Walz, directly contacting Harris to remove himself from the process. He pushed back firmly on the widely circulated narrative that his Jewish faith disqualified him, framing the decision as entirely his own choice to remain governor.

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Episode Transcript

Alright, everybody. We've got an incredible guest today. Governor Josh Shapiro is here, obviously, governor of Pennsylvania. He's got, record sign setting popularity in Pennsylvania right now, 60% approval, at least. He's a moderate. He's focused on getting done, GST. He's tough on crime. Ranked number one according to my notes on charging Medicaid fraud. He's pro data center. He's got a nuanced take on Israel, and he's a baller apparently, cut to the tape. Got him. There he is. My god. Here's your governor. Look at those short shorts. Holy cow. Incredible. Wow. It's the late eighties? Man, based on the VHS tape, this looks like the eighties. Yeah. That was 1990, I think. Look at that. Playing the points? There you go. Very nice. Very nice. Alright. That was back when people shot mid range jumpers. They don't do that anymore, man. They don't do that. They should. All threes. Yeah. I mean, we have a couple of players, and and we were talking before the show started. You're obviously a big Philly fan. I'm a big Nick fan, so I will see you at the games. We're we're on a collision course. By the way, with all due respect, and I hope we have a good conversation here, I hope to never see you at the games. Because if you're showing up in Philly with all your Knicks crap on, I'm not gonna be a happy guy. Oh, look at his selfie courtside with my friend, Dave, who, is one of the co owners of the team, who's a mutual friend of ours, who I think egged you on a little bit to come on the program here. He did. I really appreciate it. He said, Go on all in. They have thoughtful conversations and anxious to have one with you. So thanks for having me. Yeah. There's so much for us to talk about, but I I thought I would start with your track record in Pennsylvania. And the reason I wanted to start there is because there's a bit of a collision course happening right now between you and Gavin. Gavin's got what I would describe as a variable, tenure here in California. I left California for Texas because I just thought it was a bit of a disaster. But you're doing great in your state, and that's in the face of New York, my hometown, New Jersey, Boston, like, losing a lot of business leaders. And you've been scoring, you know, some big wins. So when you look at your track record, maybe you could just educate the audience on what you've gotten done. And maybe in comparison to what's happening in those other states Yeah. With other Democratic leaders, because you seem to be maybe the exception to this rule that Democrats aren't getting it done on a business level. Look, I'm proud of what we've done. I'm not in comparison with Gavin or any other Democratic governor. I'll just talk about what …

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