What It Takes to Clear a Million Crimes a Year with Flock Safety's CEO
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106 min
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Leadership, Marketing, Sales & Revenue
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Clearance Rate Over Crime Rate: Raw crime statistics matter less than clearance rates — the percentage of crimes actually solved. Cities like Cobb County, Georgia, with full Flock deployment achieve near 100% clearance rates for violent crime. When residents see consistent arrests publicized on social media and local news, deterrence follows naturally because most criminals operate on a binary "will I get caught" calculation, not a rational assessment of punishment severity.
- ✓Drone-First Response Protocol: Replacing vehicle pursuits with drone dispatch eliminates the most dangerous element of policing — high-speed chases that typically kill bystanders, not suspects. One Tennessee city reduced 911 response time from seven and a half minutes to 68 seconds using Flock drones. Departments using drone-first protocols for pursuits no longer chase vehicles at all; they track from 400 feet until a safe tactical apprehension opportunity emerges at a red light or driveway.
- ✓Real-Time 911 AI Orchestration: Flock's OS layer ingests live 911 audio, extracts descriptors like clothing details or vehicle characteristics, and automatically surfaces relevant camera feeds to operators within seconds. A case involving an attempted homicide was resolved in 17 minutes — from 911 call to arrest — using only a witness description of white Converse sneakers cross-referenced against nearby private camera footage. Without this layer, the same case would likely have gone cold.
- ✓Fragmented U.S. Law Enforcement as a Product Opportunity: The U.S. operates roughly 17,000 independent municipal police departments, unlike most countries with centralized national forces. Criminals cross jurisdictions freely while agencies historically shared data via fax and FTP files, with stolen vehicle records taking 24 hours to reach the FBI's national NCIC database. Flock creates real-time cross-agency coordination, enabling multi-state operations like a 76-person human trafficking bust coordinated across four states inside a single platform.
- ✓Hardware J-Curve and Forecasting Discipline: Hardware businesses require demand forecasting 12 to 18 months out, with every component decision functioning as a one-way door. Flock learned this by expanding too quickly across multiple product lines simultaneously — cameras, drones, trailers, and two customer segments — before core products reached profitability. The core camera business now generates hundreds of millions in operating cash flow annually, but newer hardware lines are effectively restarting the same painful capital-intensive ramp the original product required years to complete.
What It Covers
Flock Safety CEO Garrett Langley explains how his company grew from a single neighborhood camera in Atlanta to a platform deployed across 6,000 U.S. cities, helping clear over one million crimes annually. The conversation covers license plate recognition, drone-first response, 911 AI integration, corporate security expansion, hardware manufacturing challenges, and the policy frameworks needed to balance public safety with civil liberties.
Key Questions Answered
- •Clearance Rate Over Crime Rate: Raw crime statistics matter less than clearance rates — the percentage of crimes actually solved. Cities like Cobb County, Georgia, with full Flock deployment achieve near 100% clearance rates for violent crime. When residents see consistent arrests publicized on social media and local news, deterrence follows naturally because most criminals operate on a binary "will I get caught" calculation, not a rational assessment of punishment severity.
- •Drone-First Response Protocol: Replacing vehicle pursuits with drone dispatch eliminates the most dangerous element of policing — high-speed chases that typically kill bystanders, not suspects. One Tennessee city reduced 911 response time from seven and a half minutes to 68 seconds using Flock drones. Departments using drone-first protocols for pursuits no longer chase vehicles at all; they track from 400 feet until a safe tactical apprehension opportunity emerges at a red light or driveway.
- •Real-Time 911 AI Orchestration: Flock's OS layer ingests live 911 audio, extracts descriptors like clothing details or vehicle characteristics, and automatically surfaces relevant camera feeds to operators within seconds. A case involving an attempted homicide was resolved in 17 minutes — from 911 call to arrest — using only a witness description of white Converse sneakers cross-referenced against nearby private camera footage. Without this layer, the same case would likely have gone cold.
- •Fragmented U.S. Law Enforcement as a Product Opportunity: The U.S. operates roughly 17,000 independent municipal police departments, unlike most countries with centralized national forces. Criminals cross jurisdictions freely while agencies historically shared data via fax and FTP files, with stolen vehicle records taking 24 hours to reach the FBI's national NCIC database. Flock creates real-time cross-agency coordination, enabling multi-state operations like a 76-person human trafficking bust coordinated across four states inside a single platform.
- •Hardware J-Curve and Forecasting Discipline: Hardware businesses require demand forecasting 12 to 18 months out, with every component decision functioning as a one-way door. Flock learned this by expanding too quickly across multiple product lines simultaneously — cameras, drones, trailers, and two customer segments — before core products reached profitability. The core camera business now generates hundreds of millions in operating cash flow annually, but newer hardware lines are effectively restarting the same painful capital-intensive ramp the original product required years to complete.
- •Safe City Pricing Model at $20 Per Citizen: Flock packages its full platform — cameras, drones, AI, and 911 integration — into a "Safe City" offering priced at approximately $20 per resident annually. Cities like Greenville, Mississippi, population 26,000, have deployed the complete stack and publicly announce every solved crime, creating a compounding deterrence effect. The model works because most crime is opportunistic; when potential offenders perceive high certainty of arrest, behavioral change follows without requiring harsher sentencing or increased patrol density.
- •Chinese Hardware Subsidization as Infrastructure Risk: Flock lost a major Mexico contract to Hikvision, a Chinese camera manufacturer, priced nearly ten times lower due to apparent government subsidization. The pattern mirrors China's Africa infrastructure strategy, where below-market connectivity deals granted the Chinese government permanent access to host-nation data pipelines. For law enforcement camera networks specifically, the sovereignty of real-time video feeds represents a national security consideration that pure cost comparisons obscure — a risk Flock actively uses as a differentiator in domestic and allied-nation sales conversations.
Notable Moment
During a discussion of criminal deterrence, Langley describes how South American cartel members use night-vision drones to surveil homes before breaking in — while law enforcement remains legally prohibited from shooting those drones down under FAA regulations. Some states are now passing legislation to override federal airspace rules, creating a direct conflict between local enforcement needs and federal jurisdiction.
Episode Transcript
South American cartels fly illegal drones through these neighborhoods. They'll flip on, night vision, look through houses to see if anyone's home, then go break in. I was working with a town in Tennessee, it's a good city, their average response time to a 911 call is seven and a half minutes. Their drone from us gets there in sixty eight seconds. It should look a better quality of service. You don't wind up policing where crime has happened historically, you end up policing where crime is happening right now Yep. In real time. And that is a fairly fundamental shift in how policing works. The majority of criminals, let's call it 99% of criminals, are not evil people. They're not. Like, evil is a random act of violence Mhmm. And that is exceptionally rare. It's mostly just talk opportunism. It's all opportunism. In 2017, someone stole a gun from a car in Garrett Langley's neighborhood. The Atlanta Police Department came, shrugged, and left. No fingerprints, no investigation. The crime would go unsolved. So Langley, an electrical engineer, built a camera to track every car entering the neighborhood. Two months later, another gun was stolen. This time, he handed police a single plate. The only car that didn't belong. Hours later, an arrest. That prototype became flock safety, now deployed in more than 6,000 American cities. Last year, the company helped clear over a million crimes. The product has grown from license plate readers to drones, nine one one integration, and an AI layer that turns city safety into a real time operating system. In this conversation, previously aired on CheekyPind, Garrett Langley talks with John Collison about building hardware for law enforcement, why crime is down, but clearance rates matter more, and what it would take to make every city a safe city. Cheers. Yeah. Good to see you. Likewise. Thanks for having me. Okay. So maybe start by describing how does the flock product work? Yeah. Maybe we go we rewind, like, all the way back, because it's evolved. Mhmm. You know, so eight years ago, living in Atlanta, and there's a fun fact is if you're in a place like Atlanta or Memphis or pick a town in the Southeast, if you would just pull 10 f one fifty door handles, some, let's call it, three out of 10 will be unlocked, and, like, one out of 10 will have a firearm in the glove box, which is, like, regardless of the firearm, your point of view on it, it's like, you should keep it in a safe. And you should, like, keep it in a safe, not in a glove box. Like, that's just, like, really bad. But that's what people do. Mhmm. And so if you're, you know, a gang member and you're trying to obtain a firearm, like, the easiest way is just to just, like, drive into a neighborhood, six kids, because they're kids, like, jump out and start pulling door handles. You …
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