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TIP767: Mastermind Discussion Q4 2025: Sanofi, Remitly & Crocs w/ Stig Brodersen, Tobias Carlisle, and Hari Ramachandra

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86 min

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2 min

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Productivity, Health & Wellness, Personal Finance

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Key Takeaways

  • Pharmaceutical Value Play: Sanofi trades at 16x PE with 4.9% dividend yield versus peers at 25x PE, offering wealth preservation with 7-10% annual returns. The company generates recurring vaccine revenue similar to SaaS models, has diversified revenue beyond single blockbuster drugs, and benefits from euro-based operations providing dollar hedge protection.
  • Remittance Market Opportunity: Remitly captures 3% of $2 trillion remittance market with 30%+ revenue growth, 2.24% take rate, and under 12-month customer payback period with 6x lifetime value ratio. The company serves unbanked populations through local payment infrastructure like GCash in Philippines, creating competitive moat against both traditional services and stablecoin alternatives.
  • Footwear Turnaround Candidate: Crocs generates $900 million free cash flow on $4.3 billion market cap (6x earnings), trades at $79 versus $180 peak, and maintains 58% gross margins despite tariff concerns. The company authorized $1.3 billion buyback (25% of market cap) while growing 9% annually with 16% international growth and 64% China expansion.
  • Healthcare Sector Dislocation: Healthcare and pharmaceutical stocks trade at cheapest valuations relative to S&P 500 since 2000, creating opportunities in non-cyclical businesses with consistent cash flows. Capital flows concentrate in AI and Mag Seven stocks, leaving quality healthcare businesses undervalued despite subscription-like revenue models and regulatory moats protecting market positions.
  • Fashion Risk Assessment: Consumer brands like Crocs face faddish demand risk despite strong current metrics, requiring active monitoring rather than buy-and-hold approach. The company previously traded as net-net during fashion downturns, recovered through focusing on core clog product, but recently made $2.5 billion Hey Dude acquisition that required $700 million impairment, raising capital allocation concerns.

What It Covers

Stig Brodersen, Tobias Carlisle, and Hari Ramachandra pitch three undervalued stocks: Sanofi (pharmaceuticals), Remitly (digital remittances), and Crocs (footwear). Each presents valuation metrics, competitive advantages, risks, and growth prospects in current market conditions.

Key Questions Answered

  • Pharmaceutical Value Play: Sanofi trades at 16x PE with 4.9% dividend yield versus peers at 25x PE, offering wealth preservation with 7-10% annual returns. The company generates recurring vaccine revenue similar to SaaS models, has diversified revenue beyond single blockbuster drugs, and benefits from euro-based operations providing dollar hedge protection.
  • Remittance Market Opportunity: Remitly captures 3% of $2 trillion remittance market with 30%+ revenue growth, 2.24% take rate, and under 12-month customer payback period with 6x lifetime value ratio. The company serves unbanked populations through local payment infrastructure like GCash in Philippines, creating competitive moat against both traditional services and stablecoin alternatives.
  • Footwear Turnaround Candidate: Crocs generates $900 million free cash flow on $4.3 billion market cap (6x earnings), trades at $79 versus $180 peak, and maintains 58% gross margins despite tariff concerns. The company authorized $1.3 billion buyback (25% of market cap) while growing 9% annually with 16% international growth and 64% China expansion.
  • Healthcare Sector Dislocation: Healthcare and pharmaceutical stocks trade at cheapest valuations relative to S&P 500 since 2000, creating opportunities in non-cyclical businesses with consistent cash flows. Capital flows concentrate in AI and Mag Seven stocks, leaving quality healthcare businesses undervalued despite subscription-like revenue models and regulatory moats protecting market positions.
  • Fashion Risk Assessment: Consumer brands like Crocs face faddish demand risk despite strong current metrics, requiring active monitoring rather than buy-and-hold approach. The company previously traded as net-net during fashion downturns, recovered through focusing on core clog product, but recently made $2.5 billion Hey Dude acquisition that required $700 million impairment, raising capital allocation concerns.

Notable Moment

Brodersen reveals his company uses Wise for international payments despite pitching Remitly, explaining engineers choose products based on merit while finance professionals recognize inferior products often win through regulatory capture, lobbying, and fee complexity rather than pure product quality.

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Episode Transcript

You're listening to TIP. In today's mastermind discussion, we're diving into three different businesses, each with its own story and set of opportunities. Hari will be pitching Sanofi, a global pharmaceutical leader with a promising pipeline in vaccines and immunology. I will be sharing my thoughts on Remedy, a fast growing digital remittance company, helping millions of people send money across borders more efficiently. And Toby's pick is Crocs. The footwear brand has gone from fashion punchline to global powerhouse, yet still appears quite cheap. This mastermind format is all about testing our ideas, asking the hard questions, and exploring where we might be wrong. Over the years, I found it not only makes me a better investor, but also keeps me grounded and curious, and I hope it does the same for you. Towards the end of the episode, my co host Clay and I will also talk about what's next for our Mastermind community, including our plans for live events in Omaha and New York City, and how you can join us. Since 2014 and through more than 180,000,000 downloads, we've studied the financial markets and read the books that influence self made billionaires the most. We keep you informed and prepared for the unexpected. Now for your host, Stake Brodersen. Welcome to The Investors Podcast. I'm your host, Stig Brodersen. And today, I'm here with Hari and Toby. Jens, how are you today? What's up, Stig? Good to see you again. Hey, Harry. How are you? Hey, what's up, Toby and Stig? Good to see you. Fantastic. And let's just jump right into the first pick. Hari, we talked about it just before we hit record and you volunteered. So let me throw it back over to you. What is your pick? Zappia (zero zero three:thirty seven): Thank you, Jake. And no pressure going first, but I've been looking into stocks that are undervalued and it's not easy in this current market. But today I have another pharmaceutical pick, Sanofi. It's a global biopharma focused on immunology and vaccines. It's based in Europe, France, and it's well known across the globe. And I think of this company having two engines. The first one is their anti inflammatory blockbuster drug Dupixent, which has got approval across multiple indications, including COPD and has a decade long runway to go before patent expires. And the second engine is their vaccines. Of course, I'm simplifying it. They have much more apart from this. But they are really well known for their vaccine, including the seasonal flu, infant RSV protection, and many other really high quality vaccines. And since I have a lot of experience in SaaS, software as a service business, I see vaccines very similar to software as a service. It's a subscription model because it's something that everybody takes during the flu season. It's kind of a repeat business for them. So it's a recurring revenue. So vaccine is really their core strength and a stable source of income …

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    Brodersen reveals his company uses Wise for international payments despite pitching Remitly, explaining engineers choose products based on merit while finance professionals recognize inferior products often win through regulatory capture, lobbying, and fee complexity rather than pure product quality.

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  • Stig Brodersen, Tobias Carlisle, and Hari Ramachandra pitch three undervalued stocks: Sanofi (pharmaceuticals), Remitly (digital remittances), and Crocs (footwear).
  • Stig Brodersen, Tobias Carlisle, and Hari Ramachandra pitch three undervalued stocks: Sanofi (pharmaceuticals), Remitly (digital remittances), and Crocs (footwear).
  • The company previously traded as net-net during fashion downturns, recovered through focusing on core clog product, but recently made $2.5 billion Hey Dude acquisition that required $700 million impairment, raising capital allocation concerns.
  • Stig Brodersen, Tobias Carlisle, and Hari Ramachandra pitch three undervalued stocks: Sanofi (pharmaceuticals), Remitly (digital remittances), and Crocs (footwear).

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