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Episode 325: It Is Happening Again

72 min episode · 3 min read

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72 min

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3 min

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Leadership, Artificial Intelligence, Software Development

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Key Takeaways

  • Sacred Time Structure: Eliade argues archaic religious cultures experienced time as cyclical and reversible through rituals reenacting cosmogonic myths, allowing participants to step outside profane chronological time into sacred mythic time. This contrasts with Judeo-Christian traditions that sanctify specific historical moments like Christ's incarnation rather than participating in eternal renewal cycles, representing a middle stage between archaic cyclical time and modern secular linear temporality.
  • Ritual Renewal Practice: Ancient cultures performed annual creation reenactments where participants fasted, avoided contact with women and other clans, and immersed themselves in dream time for three to four days. These rituals purportedly washed away accumulated sins and burdens from the previous year, creating psychological renewal through symbolic participation in the universe's recreation rather than mere metaphorical cleansing like modern New Year resolutions.
  • Conspiracy Theory Dating Impact: Research across four studies shows sharing conspiracy theories in online dating profiles reduces perceived trustworthiness, intelligence, and kindness regardless of political orientation. Right-wing conspiracies included COVID hoax claims and 2020 election fraud, while left-wing examples involved oil company price fixing. Plausibility matters significantly, with more believable conspiracy theories receiving less harsh judgment than implausible ones.
  • Research Methodology Problems: Modern social psychology increasingly relies on platforms like Prolific and MTurk rather than in-person experiments, losing direct human interaction that once defined the field. Studies now use hypothetical scenarios without photos or real behavioral data, claiming swiping gestures constitute behavioral measures. This shift raises concerns about data quality, participant authenticity, and potential AI-generated responses contaminating research findings.
  • Hindu Cyclical Time Misunderstanding: Eliade criticizes Hindu and Buddhist traditions for viewing endless cosmic cycles as suffering to escape rather than sacred renewal to embrace. However, this misreads Eastern philosophy where escaping cycles means connecting with timeless reality beyond illusion, similar to Zen practices of identifying with one's original face before birth, representing engagement with the eternal rather than rejection of the sacred.

What It Covers

Philosopher Tamler Sommers and psychologist Dave Pizarro examine Mircea Eliade's concept of sacred time from "The Sacred and the Profane," exploring how archaic religious cultures experienced cyclical, renewable time versus modern linear temporality. They also discuss a social psychology study on conspiracy theories in online dating profiles and the methodological limitations of contemporary research.

Key Questions Answered

  • Sacred Time Structure: Eliade argues archaic religious cultures experienced time as cyclical and reversible through rituals reenacting cosmogonic myths, allowing participants to step outside profane chronological time into sacred mythic time. This contrasts with Judeo-Christian traditions that sanctify specific historical moments like Christ's incarnation rather than participating in eternal renewal cycles, representing a middle stage between archaic cyclical time and modern secular linear temporality.
  • Ritual Renewal Practice: Ancient cultures performed annual creation reenactments where participants fasted, avoided contact with women and other clans, and immersed themselves in dream time for three to four days. These rituals purportedly washed away accumulated sins and burdens from the previous year, creating psychological renewal through symbolic participation in the universe's recreation rather than mere metaphorical cleansing like modern New Year resolutions.
  • Conspiracy Theory Dating Impact: Research across four studies shows sharing conspiracy theories in online dating profiles reduces perceived trustworthiness, intelligence, and kindness regardless of political orientation. Right-wing conspiracies included COVID hoax claims and 2020 election fraud, while left-wing examples involved oil company price fixing. Plausibility matters significantly, with more believable conspiracy theories receiving less harsh judgment than implausible ones.
  • Research Methodology Problems: Modern social psychology increasingly relies on platforms like Prolific and MTurk rather than in-person experiments, losing direct human interaction that once defined the field. Studies now use hypothetical scenarios without photos or real behavioral data, claiming swiping gestures constitute behavioral measures. This shift raises concerns about data quality, participant authenticity, and potential AI-generated responses contaminating research findings.
  • Hindu Cyclical Time Misunderstanding: Eliade criticizes Hindu and Buddhist traditions for viewing endless cosmic cycles as suffering to escape rather than sacred renewal to embrace. However, this misreads Eastern philosophy where escaping cycles means connecting with timeless reality beyond illusion, similar to Zen practices of identifying with one's original face before birth, representing engagement with the eternal rather than rejection of the sacred.
  • Spatial Time Metaphors: Lakoff's research demonstrates humans understand time primarily through spatial metaphors, making archaic cyclical time concepts difficult for modern minds to grasp. Contemporary culture uses linear path metaphors for life progression, viewing repetition as stagnation rather than renewal. This linguistic and conceptual framework may impoverish modern experiences of meaning by preventing connection with eternal or timeless dimensions of existence.

Notable Moment

The hosts realize modern academic research has become so detached from human interaction that professors use AI to write lectures while students use AI to write papers responding to those lectures, creating a scenario where computers communicate through human intermediaries. This raises the darkly humorous possibility that AI systems will eventually recognize humans as unnecessary middlemen in the educational process.

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Episode Transcript

Very Bad Wizards is a podcast with a philosopher, my dad, and psychologist, Dave Fesaro, having an informal discussion about issues in science and ethics. Please note that the discussion contains bad words that I'm not allowed to say, and knowing my dad, some very inappropriate jokes. It is Maiden art has destroyed. It is happening again. The Who are you? Who are you? A very bad man. I'm a very good man. Good man. They think they've lost and with no more brains than you laughs. Pay no attention to that man. Anybody can have a brain. You're a very bad man. I'm a very good man. Just a very bad wizard. Welcome to Very Bad Wizards. I'm Tamler Sommers. Dave, I finally found an unambiguously good use of ChatGeeBT. I know I've been an AI skeptic, but I finally found one thing that what do you think it is? I'm almost afraid. So, okay, I have a couple of theories. One is some just low level, like, paper pushing task that you don't care about, but that seems too realistic for your opening question. So the my second guess will be it is making, fan porn of the New England Patriots after they win the Super Bowl. Bowl. No. No. Yeah. That would be a good one. Grock show David Pissarro naked. No. It wasn't it wasn't anything like that. It wasn't even a joke. Like, it's a sincere thing. I'll just send it to you. All you gotta do is ask. Show Drake me, holding up, the Super Bowl fifty whatever. Yeah. Like tasteful, though. You know? Like, in a g string. Yeah. Exactly. No. It it's for something so dumb, but that would have taken me, like, an hour to figure out. So I had to send out an invite for because I'm having, like, the department and grad students and students over to my house. And so I had to send an invite, but all I had was their email addresses from Gmail, which is, like, you know, brackets and some people's name who are on Google and all that. So I said, make this just an email list separated by commas. Remove all anything that's not an email address. And it did it in, like, ten seconds. This is why we're destroying our environment, ladies and gentlemen, for tasks. It's summer summer, Tima. So that I don't have to try to fucking figure out how to do that or just enter them in, like, packing the community. Has less water now. Yeah. So Exactly. People are dead. It's great for shit like that, man. Like, I had to use it for just to get advice for how to do shit like merging two datasets, by, like, student ID to do my grades. Hopefully, it doesn't hallucinate, like, a c minus for some Cornell kid. Dude, I actually mistakenly, in my formula, which has nothing to do with GPT, gave a bunch of a plus …

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    Philosopher Tamler Sommers and psychologist Dave Pizarro examine Mircea Eliade's concept of sacred time from "The Sacred and the Profane," exploring how archaic religious cultures experienced cyclical, renewable time versus modern linear temporality.

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