Brené with Susan Cain on How Sorrow and Longing Make Us Whole, Part 1 of 2

Hi, everyone. I'm Brene Brown, and this is unlocking us. I get to talk to my dear friend, Susan Cain, in a two part interview about her new book, Bittersweet, How Sorrow and Longing Make Us Whole. Oh my god. This book, y'all. I don't even know what to tell you about this book. If you don't know Susan, she's the author of four books, including Quiet, The Power of Introverts, which also was a game changer for me. This book is about, oh, the power of loving a sad song, the power of a rainy day, the power of melancholy, and we talk about that a lot. And actually how all of these things, including bittersweetness, they make us more hopeful and more whole. This is, again, part one of a two part series. Before we get into it, I wanna tell you that Susan just had a new TED Talk drop. It's called The Hidden Power of Sad Songs and Rainy Days. It's beautiful. It's just if I sound biased, it's just because I'm totally biased. I score off the charts on the bittersweet survey, the scale. I have a deeply bittersweet state of mind all the time. It's almost like how being an introvert was a bad thing before people started talking about it. And people started saying, oh, this is just who we are, and this doesn't mean this. And I don't know. It just claiming my introversion and now claiming my bittersweet kind ofness, my bittersweet melancholic mind sometimes, has been so powerful and affirming for me. So I'm so glad you're here. Avoiding your unfinished home projects because you're not sure where to start? Thumbtack knows homes, so you don't have to. Don't know the difference between matte paint finish and satin, or what that clunking sound from your dryer is? With Thumbtack, you don't have to be a home pro. You just have to hire one. You can hire top rated pros, see price estimates, and read reviews all on the app. Download today. At Criminal, we've made it a tradition every December to dedicate an episode entirely to animals who are really going for it. And Tony, what happened when you pulled over? Nothing out of the ordinary until I saw the cat on the back of the roof behind the luggage carrier. Listen to our fifth annual Animals episode on Criminal wherever you get your podcasts. Before we jump into the conversation, let me tell you a little bit about Susan. She is, again, the author of Quiet, The Power of Introverts in a World That Can't Stop Talking, which spent seven years on the New York Times bestseller list and has been translated into over 40 languages. She's got a great TED Talk on introversion. LinkedIn named her one of the top influencers in the world. She has partnered with Malcolm Gladwell, Adam Grant, and Dan Pink to curate the Next Big Idea book club. They donate all the proceeds …