Wisdom of the $TAO: the future is decentralized AI
Episode
68 min
Read time
3 min
Topics
Investing, Startups, Fundraising & VC
AI-Generated Summary
Key Takeaways
- ✓BitTensor subnet economics: BitTensor distributes roughly $100M annually in TAO tokens to miners across 128 subnets, functioning like Bitcoin block rewards but directed at building real AI products. Subnets cost between $100K and $1M to register, with price fluctuating by demand. Investors can gain exposure by staking TAO to receive subnet-specific tokens, accessible via Coinbase, without going through traditional venture channels.
- ✓Ridges vibe-coding benchmark: Subnet 62, called Ridges, scores 73–88% on the SWE benchmark and 96.3% on the polyglot test, matching or exceeding Claude Code and Codex performance. It launches at $29/month, five to seven times cheaper than competitors. Ridges was built for approximately $10M in token emissions, while Cursor raised against a $29B valuation to reach comparable capability.
- ✓Crucible Labs allocation strategy: Ala Shaabana built Crucible Labs to automate TAO reward allocation across top-performing subnets, removing the need for active daily management. Users stake TAO inside the Crucible allocator, which distributes staking rewards proportionally to subnets based on performance metrics. This stake-and-forget model mirrors index investing but applied to decentralized AI infrastructure projects.
- ✓Targon private inference model: Subnet 4, Targon, provides industrial-grade private AI inference using trusted execution environments, meaning user prompts are never consumed for model retraining. Miners supply GPU compute under Targon's technical specifications and earn subnet tokens proportional to inference volume delivered. Investors include Shopify founder Toby Lutke and Ram Sriman, Google's first investor, signaling institutional validation of the subnet model.
- ✓OpenClaw arbitrage mining: Mark Jeffery built an OpenClaw agent that autonomously mines subnet 85 (VidIO), which uses AI to compress and upscale video at 50–90% lower cost than alternatives. The agent uses Hippias for storage at up to 4,000x discount and Targon for compute at roughly one-tenth market rate. Current yield runs approximately $30/day against $10/day in costs, though competitive miners frequently displace new entrants within 48 hours.
What It Covers
Jason Calacanis and Mark Jeffery explore BitTensor's decentralized AI network, where 128 competing subnets use TAO token emissions to fund AI product development. Guests Ala Shaabana (BitTensor cofounder) and Crucible Labs founder explain how subnet projects like Ridges (vibe coding), Targon (private inference), and Hippias (decentralized storage) are undercutting centralized competitors by 5–400x on price.
Key Questions Answered
- •BitTensor subnet economics: BitTensor distributes roughly $100M annually in TAO tokens to miners across 128 subnets, functioning like Bitcoin block rewards but directed at building real AI products. Subnets cost between $100K and $1M to register, with price fluctuating by demand. Investors can gain exposure by staking TAO to receive subnet-specific tokens, accessible via Coinbase, without going through traditional venture channels.
- •Ridges vibe-coding benchmark: Subnet 62, called Ridges, scores 73–88% on the SWE benchmark and 96.3% on the polyglot test, matching or exceeding Claude Code and Codex performance. It launches at $29/month, five to seven times cheaper than competitors. Ridges was built for approximately $10M in token emissions, while Cursor raised against a $29B valuation to reach comparable capability.
- •Crucible Labs allocation strategy: Ala Shaabana built Crucible Labs to automate TAO reward allocation across top-performing subnets, removing the need for active daily management. Users stake TAO inside the Crucible allocator, which distributes staking rewards proportionally to subnets based on performance metrics. This stake-and-forget model mirrors index investing but applied to decentralized AI infrastructure projects.
- •Targon private inference model: Subnet 4, Targon, provides industrial-grade private AI inference using trusted execution environments, meaning user prompts are never consumed for model retraining. Miners supply GPU compute under Targon's technical specifications and earn subnet tokens proportional to inference volume delivered. Investors include Shopify founder Toby Lutke and Ram Sriman, Google's first investor, signaling institutional validation of the subnet model.
- •OpenClaw arbitrage mining: Mark Jeffery built an OpenClaw agent that autonomously mines subnet 85 (VidIO), which uses AI to compress and upscale video at 50–90% lower cost than alternatives. The agent uses Hippias for storage at up to 4,000x discount and Targon for compute at roughly one-tenth market rate. Current yield runs approximately $30/day against $10/day in costs, though competitive miners frequently displace new entrants within 48 hours.
- •Hippias tokenomics structure: Hippias, a decentralized storage subnet competing with Filecoin at 400–4,000x lower pricing, ties token value deterministically to product revenue. Miners must stake Hippias tokens to participate, creating continuous demand. This design eliminates the common crypto failure mode where a protocol's revenue grows while its token depreciates, making token performance structurally correlated with actual storage utilization and business growth.
Notable Moment
Mark Jeffery demonstrated that an OpenClaw agent can autonomously select which BitTensor subnet to mine, execute the mining process, and generate profit using other subnets' discounted infrastructure — effectively creating a self-funding AI agent that compounds returns across the BitTensor ecosystem without ongoing human input.
Episode Transcript
Alright, everybody. Welcome back to Twist. It is Friday. It is March 6. It is 2026 or in the year of our overlords, a o forty one, which stands for Lon Harris. Oh, it's after Open Claw. It's It's forty one days since we first discussed Open Claw on the show, AO 41. This Week in Startups is brought to you by Whisperflow. Stop typing, dictate with Whisperflow, and send clean final draft writing in seconds. Visit whisperflow.ai/twist to get started for free today. That's wisprflow.ai/twist. Lemon. Building a great team is essential to any business. Lemon is a marketplace of vetted, experienced engineers ready to take your company to the next level. Get 15% off your first four weeks of developer time at lemon.io/twist and every For all your incorporation, banking, payroll, benefits, accounting, taxes, or other back office administration needs, visit every.io. We've said AOC for a while, but that's already somebody's initial. So Yeah. We can't go with AOC. That would be I like AOC personally as the as the designation, but we'll go a o 41. Yeah. It it rolls off the tongue. And, you know, there's so much going on in my world right now, Lan. Yeah. So much that I need to keep track of things. Oh, boy. My mind runs. It just races. My mind is racing now because there's so much going on in the industry. I'm doing four or five podcasts a week. So you know how I keep track of all this? I think I do. This little pin here. I have applaud pin, and I I have to applaud applaud because I just press this button at the start. You have one too. It's right here. I'm gonna suggest that you don't ruin the nice suit I got you, and you and you use the metal backing as opposed to the clip. I'm clipping it. Clip guy? Okay. I'm a clipper. I think this is more elegant. Anyway, I press the button. The red light goes on. Everybody knows I'm recording, so I'm not, like, breaking anything. This is a recorded podcast. It's live to thousands of people, and then it goes out to hundreds of thousand people. Anyway, then I could say things to this, like, hey. Action item. Action item. Fin find a community manager to work on, the podcast so we can do community manage stuff. Get the discord, and then I don't forget. And then I say, okay. You know what we should do? Action item. Let's try for a freelancer. And, can you write me up a JD and give that to my OpenClaw replicant? Yes. Roy, this is the real this is the real power of it, I think. Like, I a lot of the time when I'm driving into work because, you know, you're you're starting to think about your day. You're sort of getting into I come up with ideas like, oh, I should email this guy. We should get that …
Get the full transcript (13,142 words) + summary by email — free
One-time email with the complete transcript and AI summary of this episode. No account needed.
One email, no spam. We’ll also show you what SignalCast does.
You just read a 3-minute summary of a 65-minute episode.
Get This Week in Startups summarized like this every Monday — plus up to 2 more podcasts, free.
Pick Your Podcasts — FreeKeep Reading
More from This Week in Startups
Dr. Mark Hyman on Function Health & GLP-1 microdosing | E2334
Sep 4 · 58 min
The Breakdown
The Myth of the “Most Used” Blockchain | The Breakdown
Feb 5
More from This Week in Startups
VC experts on why Physical AI funding is heating up | E2333
Sep 2 · 80 min
20VC (20 Minute VC)
20VC: The $100 Billion AI Assistant Race: Town vs Instinct vs GrokBot | We Spend $75K Per Engineer on AI Tools | Why the AI Assistant Market Is Not a Bubble & AI Assistants Will Replace Every App on Your Phone with JD, Founder of Town
Sep 7
Books, tools, and gear mentioned in this episode
SignalCast may earn commission on purchases via these links. As an Amazon Associate, SignalCast earns from qualifying purchases.
Tools
“SPONSORS: Whisperflow”
“SPONSORS: Every”
- OpenClawBy guest
“Mark Jeffery built an OpenClaw agent that autonomously mines subnet 85 (VidIO), which uses AI to compress and upscale video at 50–90% lower cost than alternatives.”
“SPONSORS: Roe”
“SPONSORS: Plaud”
“SPONSORS: Lemon.io”
Products
by Ala Shaabana
“Ala Shaabana built Crucible Labs to automate TAO reward allocation across top-performing subnets, removing the need for active daily management.”
More from This Week in Startups
We summarize every new episode. Want them in your inbox?
Dr. Mark Hyman on Function Health & GLP-1 microdosing | E2334
VC experts on why Physical AI funding is heating up | E2333
Are AI Agents forming "civilizations" or is this just a psy op? | 2332
Breaking down Nvidia's Hugging Face and Poolside bets | E2331
Bill Gates foresees massive AI job loss: these VCs disagree | E2330
Similar Episodes
Related episodes from other podcasts
The Breakdown
Feb 5
The Myth of the “Most Used” Blockchain | The Breakdown
20VC (20 Minute VC)
Sep 7
20VC: The $100 Billion AI Assistant Race: Town vs Instinct vs GrokBot | We Spend $75K Per Engineer on AI Tools | Why the AI Assistant Market Is Not a Bubble & AI Assistants Will Replace Every App on Your Phone with JD, Founder of Town
a16z Podcast
Aug 20
How Global Networks Are Reshaping Startup Success
20VC (20 Minute VC)
Aug 20
20VC: SpaceX Buys Cursor for $60BN | Stripe's $8BN OpenRouter Bet | Anthropic's First Profit & The Math Behind Reaching $600BN in Revenue? | Lovable and Higgsfield Raise Mega Rounds
20VC (20 Minute VC)
Aug 6
20VC: Airtable Sold for $1.285BN | Leo Achenbrenner's Situational Awareness Blows Up | Moonshot AI Raises $3.5B at $35B | Anthropic Model Breaches Three Companies' Security | Big Tech Earnings: Why Palantir Beat The Rest
Explore Related Topics
This podcast is featured in Best Startup Podcasts (2026) — ranked and reviewed with AI summaries.
Read this week's Investing & Markets Podcast Insights — cross-podcast analysis updated weekly.
You're clearly into This Week in Startups.
Every Monday, we deliver AI summaries of the latest episodes from This Week in Startups and 192+ other podcasts. Free for one show.
Start My Monday DigestNo credit card · Unsubscribe anytime