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60 min

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Career Growth, Productivity, Fundraising & VC

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Key Takeaways

  • Recursive AI Self-Improvement: Karpathy's AutoResearch tool on GitHub runs 5-minute LLM training loops, retesting and retaining only improvements. Shopify CEO Toby Lutke ran 37 experiments over 8 hours and achieved a 19% performance gain on an 800M-parameter model that outperformed a previous 1.6B-parameter model. Diminishing returns appear after roughly 83 experiments, but the core loop is functional and accessible to non-researchers today.
  • AI Banking Agents with Cryptographic Approval: NetxD's platform lets OpenClaw agents read bank balances and queue transactions, but executes payments only after the user approves via ECDSA private-key biometric sign-off in a mobile app. Practical use cases include auto-sweeping checking account buffers to maintain a $5,000 floor, capturing windfalls into savings buckets, and flagging underperforming interest rates — tasks humans routinely neglect due to tedium.
  • AI Public Trust Deficit: An NBC poll from March 2026 shows only 26% of Americans hold positive views on AI versus 46% negative — a minus-20-point gap. The hosts attribute this to a broken corporate social contract where surging profits now correlate with layoffs rather than raises, combined with gig-economy job erosion from autonomous vehicles and delivery robots threatening workers who previously relied on flexible platform income.
  • Career Defense Strategy Against Automation: To remain employable, workers should move up the task stack toward roles requiring physical presence and judgment. Skilled trades — carpentry, plumbing, electrical, fencing — currently pay $75–$100 per hour and remain beyond near-term robotic capability. Knowledge workers should position as AI orchestrators rather than individual contributors, managing agent workflows rather than executing repetitive tasks that LLMs now handle faster and cheaper.
  • Agent-Controlled Smartphones as Automation Layer: Phone Claw (getsupers.com) connects multiple Android devices to OpenClaw, enabling voice-commanded multi-phone automation through AR glasses. Agents can open apps, post to social platforms, and navigate interfaces across three simultaneous devices. The practical application extends beyond social posting to competitive intelligence — provisioning 10 Android devices to install, authenticate, and benchmark apps autonomously without human interaction at each step.

What It Covers

Jason Calacanis and Alex Wilhelm cover three converging stories: Andrej Karpathy's AutoResearch tool demonstrating recursive AI self-improvement, a NBC poll showing 46% of Americans hold negative views on AI, and live demos of AI agents executing real banking transactions, automating smartphones, and running self-optimizing website testing workflows across multiple platforms.

Key Questions Answered

  • Recursive AI Self-Improvement: Karpathy's AutoResearch tool on GitHub runs 5-minute LLM training loops, retesting and retaining only improvements. Shopify CEO Toby Lutke ran 37 experiments over 8 hours and achieved a 19% performance gain on an 800M-parameter model that outperformed a previous 1.6B-parameter model. Diminishing returns appear after roughly 83 experiments, but the core loop is functional and accessible to non-researchers today.
  • AI Banking Agents with Cryptographic Approval: NetxD's platform lets OpenClaw agents read bank balances and queue transactions, but executes payments only after the user approves via ECDSA private-key biometric sign-off in a mobile app. Practical use cases include auto-sweeping checking account buffers to maintain a $5,000 floor, capturing windfalls into savings buckets, and flagging underperforming interest rates — tasks humans routinely neglect due to tedium.
  • AI Public Trust Deficit: An NBC poll from March 2026 shows only 26% of Americans hold positive views on AI versus 46% negative — a minus-20-point gap. The hosts attribute this to a broken corporate social contract where surging profits now correlate with layoffs rather than raises, combined with gig-economy job erosion from autonomous vehicles and delivery robots threatening workers who previously relied on flexible platform income.
  • Career Defense Strategy Against Automation: To remain employable, workers should move up the task stack toward roles requiring physical presence and judgment. Skilled trades — carpentry, plumbing, electrical, fencing — currently pay $75–$100 per hour and remain beyond near-term robotic capability. Knowledge workers should position as AI orchestrators rather than individual contributors, managing agent workflows rather than executing repetitive tasks that LLMs now handle faster and cheaper.
  • Agent-Controlled Smartphones as Automation Layer: Phone Claw (getsupers.com) connects multiple Android devices to OpenClaw, enabling voice-commanded multi-phone automation through AR glasses. Agents can open apps, post to social platforms, and navigate interfaces across three simultaneous devices. The practical application extends beyond social posting to competitive intelligence — provisioning 10 Android devices to install, authenticate, and benchmark apps autonomously without human interaction at each step.
  • Self-Training Agent Governance Framework: Air Inc's AirTest platform runs multilayer recursive agent optimization, tracking token reduction per loop and routing expensive reasoning tasks to frontier models while offloading simple tasks to cheaper ones. Critically, the system includes a "blast radius" governance layer that flags agents receiving external signals as potential prompt-injection vectors and requests human permission before adding new high-risk tools to any compromised workflow.

Notable Moment

A live demo showed an AI agent detecting a $1,300 shortfall against a pre-set $5,000 checking buffer, proposing a transfer, and executing it only after the account holder approved via biometric private-key sign-off — completing in under two minutes what most people never automate despite losing thousands annually in missed interest optimization.

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Episode Transcript

Alright, everybody. Welcome back to Twist Monday, 03/09/2026. Lots going on. Alex, how are you doing? I am fantastic. The snow is melting. I'm finally coming out of winter. I've got tank top season's on the around the corner. So, Jason, I'm happy. This Week in Startups is brought to you by Northwest Registered Agent. Get more when you start your business with Northwest. In 10 clicks and ten minutes, you can form your company and walk away with a real business identity. Learn more at northwestregisteredagent.com/twist. Quo, founders move fast. Their phone systems should too. Quo, formerly OpenPhone, gives you a clean, modern way to handle every customer call, text, and thread all in one place. Try it free at quo.com/twist. And Gusto, check out the online payroll and benefits experts with software built specifically for small businesses and startups. Try Gusto today and get three months free at gusto.com/twist. What's the top story in our world? Startups, venture capital, technology. You know, I think it has to be the Andrej Karpathy auto research story. We've talked so much as an industry about the future of AI models, eventually being able to improve themselves, getting that loop going. And then at that point, we have real takeoff towards superintelligence. But in this case, what Andre has done, and if you don't know him, he's a former AI head over at Tesla. Jason, he's just one of the best and most followed developers, I would say, in the world. Fair? Yeah. For AI specifically. Obviously, worked for Elon for a long time. So, yeah, that he's would be, you know, top 20 recognizable names in the space. Yeah. So when I see his stuff, I immediately take a look at it. And in this case, he has put a tool called, Auto Research over on GitHub. And what this is, it's a really stripped down LLM training loop, and it runs in five minute increments. So you bring your own AI model to be an agent essentially, and then you give it a prompt. And then what the system does is try to improve its own code over a five minute training period, then it retests itself. And then if the code is improved, if the result is improved, it keeps the changes and then continues to iterate. So it's a very simple loop of AI actually improving itself across certain tasks that you give it. So it's not the full meal deal, Jason. We haven't solved AI recursive self improvement, but we have shown that it's simple and possible in some context. Very cool. Yeah. And he worked at OpenAI, I think, twice. He would, like, in between stints at Tesla, or maybe Tesla was between the two OpenEye stints. So he knows what he's talking about. I think he started he was one of the founders, over at OpenAI in 2015 time frame. So I think, you know, without being an AI researcher myself, what we're seeing here …

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  • NetxD's platform lets OpenClaw agents read bank balances and queue transactions... Phone Claw (getsupers.com) connects multiple Android devices to OpenClaw, enabling voice-commanded multi-phone automation through AR glasses.
  • SPONSORS: Plod, https://plod.ai/twist
  • Phone Claw (getsupers.com) connects multiple Android devices to OpenClaw, enabling voice-commanded multi-phone automation through AR glasses.
  • NetxD's platform lets OpenClaw agents read bank balances and queue transactions, but executes payments only after the user approves via ECDSA private-key biometric sign-off in a mobile app.
  • SPONSORS: Quo, https://quo.com/twist
  • by Air Inc

    Air Inc's AirTest platform runs multilayer recursive agent optimization, tracking token reduction per loop and routing expensive reasoning tasks to frontier models while offloading simple tasks to cheaper ones.
  • Andrej Karpathy's AutoResearch tool demonstrating recursive AI self-improvement... Karpathy's AutoResearch tool on GitHub runs 5-minute LLM training loops, retesting and retaining only improvements.
  • SPONSORS: Gusto, https://gusto.com/twist

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