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The case for banning cookie banners

77 min episode · 2 min read
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Kate Klonick,Allison Johnson

Episode

77 min

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2 min

Topics

Design & UX, Artificial Intelligence, Product & Tech Trends

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Key Takeaways

  • Cookie Banner Origins: The EU's e-Privacy Directive never mandated pop-up banners — the regulation only required users receive the right to refuse data processing. Industry lawyers and lobbyists collectively interpreted compliance as banner pop-ups to avoid fines, creating a de facto standard that calcified over 15-25 years without regulatory challenge or meaningful user protection.
  • Manufactured Consent Problem: Cookie banners create a false sense of regulatory accountability on both sides. Regulators point to banners as proof privacy is addressed; companies point to user clicks as proof of consent. Neither outcome protects users, since the underlying ad-tracking technology has long since evolved beyond cookies into methods banners never address or restrict.
  • The Case for Zero Banners: Klonick argues users are better off with no cookie banners than the current system. Eliminating banners removes the regulatory detente that blocks innovation, forcing genuine legislative conversation about modern tracking harms. The compliance infrastructure companies built around banners costs them little now, giving them zero incentive to pursue better privacy solutions.
  • Brussels Effect and Regulatory Capture: When one large market regulates technology design, transnational companies adopt that standard globally because maintaining separate systems is too costly — the same dynamic as California's car emissions standards reshaping all US vehicles. This means EU cookie law effectively governs American users, while US tech companies unilaterally dictate product design for European users.
  • Ask Maps Practical Use Case: Google Maps' Ask Maps feature processes natural language requests combining multiple criteria simultaneously — transit availability, weather conditions, time constraints, and location type — returning a sequenced itinerary with departure times. Standard Maps search requires manual filter stacking; Ask Maps collapses that into a single conversational query, reducing planning time for multi-stop outings.

What It Covers

The Vergecast covers two technology topics: Saint John's professor Kate Klonick argues cookie consent banners should be eliminated entirely rather than reformed, and Verge senior reviewer Allison Johnson tests Google Maps' Ask Maps feature, which uses Gemini AI to plan real-world itineraries based on user-specified criteria like transit routes, weather, and time constraints.

Key Questions Answered

  • Cookie Banner Origins: The EU's e-Privacy Directive never mandated pop-up banners — the regulation only required users receive the right to refuse data processing. Industry lawyers and lobbyists collectively interpreted compliance as banner pop-ups to avoid fines, creating a de facto standard that calcified over 15-25 years without regulatory challenge or meaningful user protection.
  • Manufactured Consent Problem: Cookie banners create a false sense of regulatory accountability on both sides. Regulators point to banners as proof privacy is addressed; companies point to user clicks as proof of consent. Neither outcome protects users, since the underlying ad-tracking technology has long since evolved beyond cookies into methods banners never address or restrict.
  • The Case for Zero Banners: Klonick argues users are better off with no cookie banners than the current system. Eliminating banners removes the regulatory detente that blocks innovation, forcing genuine legislative conversation about modern tracking harms. The compliance infrastructure companies built around banners costs them little now, giving them zero incentive to pursue better privacy solutions.
  • Brussels Effect and Regulatory Capture: When one large market regulates technology design, transnational companies adopt that standard globally because maintaining separate systems is too costly — the same dynamic as California's car emissions standards reshaping all US vehicles. This means EU cookie law effectively governs American users, while US tech companies unilaterally dictate product design for European users.
  • Ask Maps Practical Use Case: Google Maps' Ask Maps feature processes natural language requests combining multiple criteria simultaneously — transit availability, weather conditions, time constraints, and location type — returning a sequenced itinerary with departure times. Standard Maps search requires manual filter stacking; Ask Maps collapses that into a single conversational query, reducing planning time for multi-stop outings.
  • AI Personalization Ceiling: Ask Maps currently underperforms on personalization by recommending places users have already visited, failing to cross-reference location history Google Maps already stores. The feature handles fuzzy conceptual searches well — finding laptop-friendly cafes open past 4PM — but requires explicit prompting to exclude known locations, revealing a gap between available user data and active recommendation logic.

Notable Moment

Klonick reveals that cookie banners have become counterproductive precisely because they work as a compliance shield — companies spent two decades perfecting a system that satisfies regulators while barely restricting tracking. That sunk investment means no one in industry wants reform, making the banners' existence actively prevent better privacy solutions from emerging.

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Episode Transcript

Welcome to the Vergecast, the flagship podcast of clicking agree on pop ups on the Internet without ever reading a word of them. I'm your friend David Pearce, and I got a new phone. I know I told you I was done with this wild phone experiment that I've been on, and that's true. But that doesn't mean that I don't get needlessly excited about some wacky new idea about how phones are supposed to work, especially if they're supposed to save me from using my phone too much. The new one I have is is called the Side Phone. And the idea is basically, it's like a a minimalist Android phone, but it has attachments for the bottom half. So essentially, imagine a Blackberry, but you can lift off the keyboard and it just has sort of individually replacement parts. So you you can have one that looks like a an actual kind of full keyboard, but then you can also put on just number keys if all you wanna use it for is to make calls. But the one I think is most fun is it has an iPod style click wheel that you can just stick into place and suddenly you have a thing that looks like an iPod. I find this so charming and I love the idea of a phone that can be lots of things, but tries very hard to only be one of them at a time. And you have to be like, I am using my phone as a camera now. So I'm gonna attach the thing and use it as a camera, and it's less useful as everything else. And then you're like, well, I'm gonna use it as a music player now. And it's not everything to everyone at all times even though it can do lots of things. I think it's very cool. I need to test this phone a bunch more. I have a bunch of questions about how this hardware is gonna hold up over time, frankly, but also whether this idea of interchangeable keyboards can make a phone feel minimalist and useful all at the same time. But I'm pretty excited about it. But today's show is not about smartphones, mostly. Today's show is about two things. First, Kate Klonick, a professor and author, is gonna come on the show and talk about cookies. Specifically, those cookie banners that appear at the bottom of just about every web page you go on, which she thinks need to go away and right now. Then Allison Johnson from The Verge is gonna come on and tell us about her experience with a feature called Ask Maps, which lets Gemini and Google Maps use AI to plan your life for you out in the real world. I think it's really interesting and exciting. Allison's had some fun experiments. I'm excited to talk about it. We also have a really fun question on the Vergecast hotline. 866 verge one one …

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