#854: Tish Rabe — 200+ Children's Books, Getting Picked for Dr. Seuss, Lessons from Early Sesame Street, How to Write 300+ Songs, and More
Episode
87 min
Read time
3 min
Topics
Health & Wellness, Fundraising & VC, Software Development
AI-Generated Summary
Key Takeaways
- ✓Write the ending first: Rabe structures every children's book by writing the final page before anything else, a technique she learned from Sesame Street writers who reverse-engineered Abbott and Costello comedies. The last page carries disproportionate weight because it is the final thing a child hears before sleep. Knowing the destination shapes every narrative decision made along the way.
- ✓Rhyme as a mnemonic device: Pure end rhymes — where sounds match exactly, not approximate "slant rhymes" like farm/barn — dramatically improve children's retention of factual content. Rabe's Dr. Seuss science books use this deliberately: pairing "migration" with "vacation" taught children a technical term they would not have absorbed from prose. Every book she now writes independently uses rhyme for this reason.
- ✓Song structure requires a B-section: When writing 300+ educational songs, Rabe consistently builds a verse followed by a contrasting B-section before returning to the main theme. She identifies the core educational fact first, then finds rhyming potential within that content. Mapping new lyrics to recognizable public domain melodies accelerates learning because children already hold the melodic framework in memory.
- ✓Research children's library shelves before writing: To distill complex topics into 24–42 pages of rhyming text, Rabe visits children's library sections and reads every existing book on the target subject. Because those books already simplify content for young readers, they provide pre-filtered facts. She records everything in a dedicated spiral notebook per book, then scans for words with strong rhyming potential before drafting.
- ✓Invent words when rhymes fail: Dr. Seuss maintained two non-negotiable standards — perfect rhythmic meter and pure end rhymes — but resolved impossible rhyme situations by coining fictional words and place names. Rabe applies the same fix in her own Seuss-series books, creating invented locations like "Gurpets" to unlock otherwise unavailable rhymes. This approach turns a constraint into a recognizable stylistic signature rather than a flaw.
What It Covers
Tish Rabe, author of 200+ children's books with 11 million+ copies sold, traces her path from opera training to Sesame Street season two to writing the Dr. Seuss science series. She shares craft techniques for rhyming books, songwriting structure, starting an independent publishing company at age 71, and getting free books to underserved children.
Key Questions Answered
- •Write the ending first: Rabe structures every children's book by writing the final page before anything else, a technique she learned from Sesame Street writers who reverse-engineered Abbott and Costello comedies. The last page carries disproportionate weight because it is the final thing a child hears before sleep. Knowing the destination shapes every narrative decision made along the way.
- •Rhyme as a mnemonic device: Pure end rhymes — where sounds match exactly, not approximate "slant rhymes" like farm/barn — dramatically improve children's retention of factual content. Rabe's Dr. Seuss science books use this deliberately: pairing "migration" with "vacation" taught children a technical term they would not have absorbed from prose. Every book she now writes independently uses rhyme for this reason.
- •Song structure requires a B-section: When writing 300+ educational songs, Rabe consistently builds a verse followed by a contrasting B-section before returning to the main theme. She identifies the core educational fact first, then finds rhyming potential within that content. Mapping new lyrics to recognizable public domain melodies accelerates learning because children already hold the melodic framework in memory.
- •Research children's library shelves before writing: To distill complex topics into 24–42 pages of rhyming text, Rabe visits children's library sections and reads every existing book on the target subject. Because those books already simplify content for young readers, they provide pre-filtered facts. She records everything in a dedicated spiral notebook per book, then scans for words with strong rhyming potential before drafting.
- •Invent words when rhymes fail: Dr. Seuss maintained two non-negotiable standards — perfect rhythmic meter and pure end rhymes — but resolved impossible rhyme situations by coining fictional words and place names. Rabe applies the same fix in her own Seuss-series books, creating invented locations like "Gurpets" to unlock otherwise unavailable rhymes. This approach turns a constraint into a recognizable stylistic signature rather than a flaw.
- •Self-impose earlier deadlines to absorb writer's block: When contracted with an external deadline of April 1, Rabe records her personal deadline as February 15. This buffer absorbs the days when a project stalls completely. Her protocol when stuck is to stop entirely, switch to a different book or task, and return later — avoiding the compounding paralysis that comes from forcing output on a blocked project.
Notable Moment
Rabe received a call from Audrey Geisel, Dr. Seuss's widow, asking her to read all 41 original Seuss books and write a new one referencing each of them — designed to be read aloud to unborn babies. Rabe wrote the entire bio for that bestselling book in under two minutes while standing in her kitchen with car keys in hand.
Episode Transcript
Optimal minimal. At this altitude, I can run flat out for a half mile before my hands start to shake. Can I answer your personal question? Now what is it in a perfect time? What it's like to be alive? I'm a cybernetic organism living tissue over metal and. Tish, it is lovely to finally connect. I've really been looking forward to this, and thanks to my old friend and your new friend, Elan Lee, here we are. We made it happen. It's a thank you for making the time. Really excited to be. Me to you. And I don't even know where to start. We could start with the 200 children's books, more than 11,000,000 copies sold. We could start with 300 children's songs, but maybe we can, I suppose, start the journey with what you studied in college? Were you always intending to end up where you are now? Or where did the story start in the sense? Where did the story start? As a matter of fact, I did not start out to be a children's book author. I started out to be an opera singer. I went to college to be an opera singer. So that was my plan. I had a great plan. In high school, I tell the kids I talk to a lot that I had two things I loved. I love to sing and I love to write. So all through high school, I was, are you gonna be a singer or a writer, a writer or singer? And finally, I had to apply to college and I really knew in my heart, I wanted to be a singer. So I have a four year degree in opera with a minor in jazz. And everyone always asks me, so how did you end up, you know, being a singer and ending up being an author? And the very short story is I came to New York, and I was auditioning everywhere. And my high school music teacher got a job as assistant music director on Sesame Street season two. And I went to meet him and told him I was auditioning, and he asked me if I could type. And I said, Yes, I can sing and I can type. So I got a job as music production assistant at Sesame Street. And all I wanted to do was sing with Jim Henson's Muppets. And my first job was hiring the jingle singers in Manhattan to sing with Jim Henson's Muppets. So I sang all day. I sang when I typed and I sang when I filed and I sang when I answered the phone. Sesame Street, may I help you? Well, after a year, everybody was so tired of listening to me sing all the time that they said, would you like to sing on Sesame Street with the Muppets? And I was yes. So I sang with the Muppets. I sang on the show. I sang on the albums and …
Get the full transcript (14,990 words) + summary by email — free
One-time email with the complete transcript and AI summary of this episode. No account needed.
One email, no spam. We’ll also show you what SignalCast does.
You just read a 3-minute summary of a 84-minute episode.
Get The Tim Ferriss Show summarized like this every Monday — plus up to 2 more podcasts, free.
Pick Your Podcasts — FreeKeep Reading
More from The Tim Ferriss Show
#881: Tales of Overcoming The Odds, and How to Turn Losses Into Wins — Tim McGraw, Terry Crews, Dax Shepard, and More
Sep 4 · 65 min
Stuff You Should Know
The Beloved Judy Blume
Jul 28
More from The Tim Ferriss Show
#880: Relationship Tools That Work — Esther Perel, Brené Brown, Dr. Sue Johnson, Terry Real, and More on Conflict, Repair, and Lasting Love
Aug 19 · 57 min
Modern Wisdom
#1082 - Eric Jorgenson - The Wild Psychology of Elon Musk
Apr 9
Books, tools, and gear mentioned in this episode
SignalCast may earn commission on purchases via these links. As an Amazon Associate, SignalCast earns from qualifying purchases.
Books
- Dr. Seuss science seriesBy guest
by Tish Rabe
“traces her path from opera training to Sesame Street season two to writing the Dr. Seuss science series”
podcast
“Episode #854 featuring Tish Rabe”
More from The Tim Ferriss Show
We summarize every new episode. Want them in your inbox?
#881: Tales of Overcoming The Odds, and How to Turn Losses Into Wins — Tim McGraw, Terry Crews, Dax Shepard, and More
#880: Relationship Tools That Work — Esther Perel, Brené Brown, Dr. Sue Johnson, Terry Real, and More on Conflict, Repair, and Lasting Love
#879: How to Reinvent Yourself and Make Bold Moves — Decisive Stories from Matthew McConaughey, Steve Young, Samin Nosrat, and More
#878: How to Start When You're Stuck, Finish What You Begin, and Stop Waiting for Inspiration — Creative Advice from Elizabeth Gilbert, Seth Godin, Joyce Carol Oates, Anne Lamott and More
#877: Q&A with Tim — The Art of Male Friendship, Mini-Retirements, Higher-Resolution Living, Reinvention in The Age of AI, and More
Similar Episodes
Related episodes from other podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
Jul 28
The Beloved Judy Blume
Modern Wisdom
Apr 9
#1082 - Eric Jorgenson - The Wild Psychology of Elon Musk
Masters of Scale
Oct 30
When ‘genius’ becomes a trap, with author Ryan Holiday
Stuff You Should Know
Aug 13
Who was Robert Maxwell?l
Deep Questions with Cal Newport
May 4
Why Do Better Tools Make Me Worse at My Job? (w/ David Epstein) | Monday Advice
Explore Related Topics
This podcast is featured in Best Business Podcasts (2026) — ranked and reviewed with AI summaries.
Read this week's Health & Longevity Podcast Insights — cross-podcast analysis updated weekly.
You're clearly into The Tim Ferriss Show.
Every Monday, we deliver AI summaries of the latest episodes from The Tim Ferriss Show and 192+ other podcasts. Free for one show.
Start My Monday DigestNo credit card · Unsubscribe anytime