What high-confidence product managers do differently - Axel Sooriah (Atlassian)

What do you think about money? How money is such an emotional topic for so many people because it can make your life go in one direction and completely opposite direction. If you look at product managers around you, the general image is like a hamster wheel, really. Like, everybody's, like, running and trying to get something over the line. I think, ideally, you want less of an assembly line, more of a, like, jazz band where people are, like, flating harmoniously together. I'm Axel Surya. I'm a product management evangelist at Atlassian. I've been in product for about, well, thirteen years now. I used to run a product management consultancy in Europe, helping large European scale ups with, moving to the product model. Have you seen in the the product teams that you work with, like, this kind of fear of what's happening and also just joy of exploring new things? Only 12% of product teams find it rewarding. Axel, welcome to the Product Experience podcast. It's great to be talking to you. Thank you. Thanks for having me. No problem at all. And it's great to see you in person here at Industry, conference. We've had a fantastic couple of days, and, we're just rounding everything up now. But before we end the the the conference, we thought we'd grab you for a quick moment to to dive into some interesting stuff. But before we do, actually, if you could give us a quick sort of intro into who you are and what you're doing in product these days and your sort of product story. Yeah. Happy to do so, and thanks for having me. I'm Axel Suria. I'm a product management evangelist at Atlassian. We can talk about that in a minute. Evangelism. I've been in product for about twelve, thirteen years now. And, before joining Atlassian, I used to run a product management consultancy in Europe, helping large European scale ups with, moving to the product model, basically. And then before that, held a number of product roles across different industries in start ups, scale ups, also large enterprise. And, yeah, I've been at Atlassian for the last eighteen months in this, new role. Amazing. And and okay. So for for those people who haven't come across this role before, like, what does a product evangelist do? Great question. I'm still figuring it out, to be honest. So evangelism is really about helping people understand the value they can get out of either a craft or practices around a craft or and or a product. Right? So at a glance and concretely, what that means is so my title is actually product management evangelist, which is quite different to what you could, you know, call a product advocate because product advocates are focused on a specific solution or product that they're set that they're selling, and sometimes they're incentivized on. I'm really focused on the ways of working and practices in product management. And Right. Part …