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Rich Cohen - 11/08/23

66 min episode · 3 min read
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Rich Cohen

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66 min

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3 min

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Relationships, Design & UX, Science & Discovery

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Key Takeaways

  • Self-Help Writing Origins: Writers who create self-help books are addressing their own needs first. Cohen's father wrote "You Can Negotiate Anything" while struggling with the same issues he advised others about, like abandoning mature designs for momentary passions while eating ice cream at 2am. This pattern reveals that effective advice stems from personal struggle, making the guidance authentic because the author genuinely needs to hear it themselves.
  • Nostalgia Versus Historical Assessment: Declaring 1987 the greatest NBA season risks confusing personal memory with objective quality. Cohen acknowledges this tension—he was 19 when four dynasty teams (Celtics, Lakers, Pistons, Bulls) competed, creating formative experiences tied to his father. The challenge for men in their fifties involves distinguishing between genuine historical significance and the desire to freeze time when life felt full of possibility and vitality.
  • Team Identity Through Opposition: The Detroit Pistons developed their physical, aggressive style specifically to defeat the Boston Celtics' dominant frontcourt. Each dynasty shaped itself in response to local threats—the Pistons built two deep rosters to exhaust Celtic starters, creating a competitive ecosystem where teams made each other great. This historical development pattern mirrors how countries become what they are by responding to immediate challenges rather than abstract ideals.
  • Modern Sports Consumption Changes Experience: Immediate access to every highlight and game replay fundamentally alters sports engagement. In 1987, missing a Bulls-Pistons game meant missing it permanently, creating communal live experiences and forcing viewers to fill gaps with imagination. Current fragmented consumption—watching highlights on phones, accessing games anytime—removes the narrative tension that made individual plays exciting after sitting through ninety minutes of buildup.
  • Athletic Evolution Across Generations: Players like Connor Bedard and Victor Wembanyama represent fundamental skill advancement, not just incremental improvement. Wembanyama and Chet Holmgren stand seven-foot-five but dribble like Isaiah Thomas and shoot threes consistently—abilities that seemed impossible in earlier eras. This evolution challenges nostalgia-based arguments, as modern athletes combine size with skills previously exclusive to smaller guards, creating genuinely new athletic possibilities.

What It Covers

Writer Rich Cohen discusses his book about the 1987 NBA season, exploring why he considers it basketball's greatest year. The conversation examines how personal memory shapes nostalgia, the relationship between fathers and sons through sports, and whether declaring past eras superior reflects resistance to modernity or genuine historical significance.

Key Questions Answered

  • Self-Help Writing Origins: Writers who create self-help books are addressing their own needs first. Cohen's father wrote "You Can Negotiate Anything" while struggling with the same issues he advised others about, like abandoning mature designs for momentary passions while eating ice cream at 2am. This pattern reveals that effective advice stems from personal struggle, making the guidance authentic because the author genuinely needs to hear it themselves.
  • Nostalgia Versus Historical Assessment: Declaring 1987 the greatest NBA season risks confusing personal memory with objective quality. Cohen acknowledges this tension—he was 19 when four dynasty teams (Celtics, Lakers, Pistons, Bulls) competed, creating formative experiences tied to his father. The challenge for men in their fifties involves distinguishing between genuine historical significance and the desire to freeze time when life felt full of possibility and vitality.
  • Team Identity Through Opposition: The Detroit Pistons developed their physical, aggressive style specifically to defeat the Boston Celtics' dominant frontcourt. Each dynasty shaped itself in response to local threats—the Pistons built two deep rosters to exhaust Celtic starters, creating a competitive ecosystem where teams made each other great. This historical development pattern mirrors how countries become what they are by responding to immediate challenges rather than abstract ideals.
  • Modern Sports Consumption Changes Experience: Immediate access to every highlight and game replay fundamentally alters sports engagement. In 1987, missing a Bulls-Pistons game meant missing it permanently, creating communal live experiences and forcing viewers to fill gaps with imagination. Current fragmented consumption—watching highlights on phones, accessing games anytime—removes the narrative tension that made individual plays exciting after sitting through ninety minutes of buildup.
  • Athletic Evolution Across Generations: Players like Connor Bedard and Victor Wembanyama represent fundamental skill advancement, not just incremental improvement. Wembanyama and Chet Holmgren stand seven-foot-five but dribble like Isaiah Thomas and shoot threes consistently—abilities that seemed impossible in earlier eras. This evolution challenges nostalgia-based arguments, as modern athletes combine size with skills previously exclusive to smaller guards, creating genuinely new athletic possibilities.
  • Character Revelation Through Sports Writing: Effective sports writing balances romanticizing moments with clear-eyed analysis of character flaws. Cohen examines Isaiah Thomas's self-pity and inability to hide resentment, contrasting with Michael Jordan's carefully managed public image that concealed deep grudges. The best sports narratives use athletic moments to reveal universal human struggles with impermanence, identity, and the gap between self-perception and reality.

Notable Moment

Cohen describes his father, fresh from the airport in a business suit and loafers, immediately playing driveway basketball with his sons. The distinctive sound of coins jingling in his father's pockets while playing became Cohen's defining basketball memory—more significant than sneaker squeaks or ball bounces, representing how fathers and sons communicated through physical competition rather than conversation.

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Episode Transcript

Hey. This is the moment. I'm Brian Koppelman. Thanks for listening. My guest today is Rich Cohen, who is a great writer. He has written some books that I've read more than once. I think he's written 16 books. I've definitely read 10 of 16, which is a very, very high you know, I didn't read the one about some Chicago teams because, I mean, you know, I'm from New York. His new book is called When the Game Was War, the NBA's Greatest Season. If you've been listening to this podcast or you know me in any way, you know what a big NBA person I am and how much the NBA means to me. The book before this, though, which is called The Adventures of Herbie Cohn, World's Greatest Negotiator. Rich, I I have to say and you know this is so because we talked and had lunch. I think that's an a monumental achievement, man. And, I'm so grateful that you wrote this this father son story when you did because I think it explains a lot of your work. And it even in a way, this book is suffused with your pop. And what do did that book did the Herbie book feel watershed to you in any way? Yeah. It felt like underneath everything because people people talk about, like, I seem to have no common I have no beat. I'm writing nonfiction books, but they're about what seemingly are completely different topics, like the Rolling Stones and my father and the Cubs and Jerry Weintraub. Jerry Weintraub, Jewish gangsters. You know? But they are all they're connected, like, under the soil at the root is the way I feel it. At the root is really my family and my father. That's what I think too. Yeah. Reading them, that's what I feel. Right. So I felt like the book about my father is sort of the source code for everything else I do. And even this basketball book because my father was a basketball coach. There's a whole basketball thing in it, and it's his, like, lessons for life often came out of stuff from sports, watching and playing. And he his view of the world was shaped by New York basketball because he grew up playing basketball in, you know, Bensonhurst, Brooklyn. Well, yeah. I was gonna say not only his was he a coach, but he was, a great player and that served him, like, when he was in the military. And it served him in all sorts of difficult situations. Right? Yeah. Because you could always go out, guys. He always said the military was such a great experience for him because he met people from all over the country. Because before that, he'd only met people from Brooklyn. He'd never been on a plane. He'd never been out in New York. You know? This is like in the late fifties or early sixties. So suddenly, he by a weird snafu …

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