Elvis Mitchell - 12/13/23
Episode
75 min
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2 min
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Career Growth, Investing, Fundraising & VC
AI-Generated Summary
Key Takeaways
- ✓Preparation as Professional Respect: Mitchell conducts interviews without notes after extensive research, making direct eye contact to signal he has given serious thought to the subject's work. He wants guests to understand he takes them seriously enough to have done the work before entering the room, distinguishing professional inquiry from casual conversation or friendship-seeking behavior.
- ✓Cultural Theft Documentation: Mitchell's documentary reveals how Black cinema innovations from 1968-1978 were systematically absorbed by mainstream filmmakers without acknowledgment. He traces specific examples like Saturday Night Fever's direct structural borrowing from Shaft, and Isaac Hayes admitting he and David Porter watched Once Upon a Time in the West repeatedly before creating the Walk On By arrangement for Burt Bacharach.
- ✓Invisibility Through Visibility: Mitchell deliberately dresses in tailored suits at screenings, making himself impossible to miss as the only Black critic in formal attire. This strategy forces recognition in spaces where people of color face assumptions about competence and belonging. The choice stems from watching Brian Gumbel maintain commanding presence despite media derision compared to David Letterman's celebrated contempt.
- ✓Interview Technique from Playboy: Mitchell models his conversational approach on Larry Grobel's Marlon Brando Playboy interview, which balanced conversation, challenge, and visible presence of the interviewer. The goal is getting subjects to truly look at you while talking, treating the exchange as professional work rather than friendship-building, allowing prepared questions to guide without constraining where conversation naturally flows.
- ✓Institutional Racism at The New York Times: Assistant managing editor Daryl Boyd warned Mitchell upon hiring that he would be judged differently as a high-profile Black critic. Mitchell faced fabricated stories about not watching films he reviewed, with only one example critics could cite despite his career-long thoroughness. Toni Morrison told him the Jason Blair scandal made it easier to blame Black journalists.
What It Covers
Brian Koppelman interviews film critic Elvis Mitchell about his approach to cultural criticism, the making of his Netflix documentary "Is That Black Enough for You?", navigating invisibility as a Black critic in mainstream media, and his interview methodology that influenced Koppelman's own podcast style over the past decade.
Key Questions Answered
- •Preparation as Professional Respect: Mitchell conducts interviews without notes after extensive research, making direct eye contact to signal he has given serious thought to the subject's work. He wants guests to understand he takes them seriously enough to have done the work before entering the room, distinguishing professional inquiry from casual conversation or friendship-seeking behavior.
- •Cultural Theft Documentation: Mitchell's documentary reveals how Black cinema innovations from 1968-1978 were systematically absorbed by mainstream filmmakers without acknowledgment. He traces specific examples like Saturday Night Fever's direct structural borrowing from Shaft, and Isaac Hayes admitting he and David Porter watched Once Upon a Time in the West repeatedly before creating the Walk On By arrangement for Burt Bacharach.
- •Invisibility Through Visibility: Mitchell deliberately dresses in tailored suits at screenings, making himself impossible to miss as the only Black critic in formal attire. This strategy forces recognition in spaces where people of color face assumptions about competence and belonging. The choice stems from watching Brian Gumbel maintain commanding presence despite media derision compared to David Letterman's celebrated contempt.
- •Interview Technique from Playboy: Mitchell models his conversational approach on Larry Grobel's Marlon Brando Playboy interview, which balanced conversation, challenge, and visible presence of the interviewer. The goal is getting subjects to truly look at you while talking, treating the exchange as professional work rather than friendship-building, allowing prepared questions to guide without constraining where conversation naturally flows.
- •Institutional Racism at The New York Times: Assistant managing editor Daryl Boyd warned Mitchell upon hiring that he would be judged differently as a high-profile Black critic. Mitchell faced fabricated stories about not watching films he reviewed, with only one example critics could cite despite his career-long thoroughness. Toni Morrison told him the Jason Blair scandal made it easier to blame Black journalists.
- •Generosity Born from Marginalization: Mitchell's critical approach emphasizes understanding filmmaker intent before evaluation, stemming from experiencing misapprehension throughout his career. He communicates to artists that he sees them accurately, giving them the rare experience of being truly understood rather than judged through assumptions about race, appearance, or background—the gift he wished others had extended to him.
Notable Moment
Mitchell reveals Pauline Kael initially told him someone else should have gotten his New York Times job on what he considered the most important day of his career. Months later, after reading his piece about his father, she called at six in the morning insisting it was the best writing she had ever read in the Times and demanding he submit it for a Pulitzer.
Episode Transcript
I'm pushing play. Here we go. You should push record. See? I just said I'm gonna push play, and that's Elvis said you should push record because he misses nothing. Hey. But see, record is already depressed, and then you hit play and then, hey. This is the moment. I'm Brian Koppelman. Thanks for listening. Wait. In those old days when we would record on, like, the cassettes, wouldn't you you would press down record. Right? And then play would come after, and then you were recording. Play was the engine that moved the, if you had, like, an old school tape recorder that only had one motor drive. Yeah. Right. Exactly. So that's, I think, why we think now you I'm gonna press play because record you know how it works? Record is already, like, beeping, you know, visually beeping, and then you hit a second time. And in my head, I think, oh, that's like pressing play because we were kids recording off the radio, which basically no one listening can remember. Radio recording, listening. What are you talking about? I mean, recording on a separate on an auxiliary device from the radio, but you and I both I mean, I there a lot of Why wouldn't you just go to Spotify? Why wouldn't you just, like what are you doing? Why couldn't you just play it when you wanted to play it? Why record something off the radio? Hey. Sorry, everybody. Elvis Mitchell is one of my favorite people to talk to. I am really, really excited about this. Elvis is, I would say, even though you don't really write for print anymore, although your movie, the the film that is, available now on Netflix. Is that black enough for you? Is written very clearly written by you. It's a documentary, but it's written by you. But to me, you're the premier film critic of my time doing this stuff. You are a polymath. You're one of really. I thought there would be no math. Right. Well, that's you know what? And unfortunately, you like word games, which let's just end this. Should we end this now? Okay. Thanks. Thanks. Listen, everybody. But, Elvis Elvis is Elvis is a writer director. He has also conducted interviews for a documentary that technically he didn't, direct. He has hosted and produced television shows. I mean, this is the problem when you've known someone this long, you know, sort of, a lot of stuff. But I will say this is really important, Elvis. As you know, as I told you many times at the beginning of doing this podcast, which I started in 2013, you are one of the two biggest influences in the in the way I think about conducting conversations. I have always found your style of preparation and inquiry to be incredibly inspiring. You were a North Star for me in the way I wanted to do this. And right when we started, I asked you to …
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