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Ep212: Tim Shannon on Creating Targeted Protein Degraders as Medicines

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Tim Shannon

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74 min

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3 min

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Productivity, Relationships, Investing

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Key Takeaways

  • ✓Timing in biotech venture: Entering venture capital at the 2009 financial crisis trough, when peers demanded Phase 2 proof-of-concept before investing, proved optimal. Shannon's framework: identify when risk aversion has overcorrected and new science is maturing beneath depressed markets. The subsequent decade became one of biotech's strongest runs, rewarding those who committed capital when sentiment was most negative.
  • ✓Oral bioavailability as a strategic inflection point: In Arvinas's second or third year, Shannon redirected roughly $10 million — a significant portion of the budget — exclusively toward solving oral bioavailability for PROTACs. Most competitors believed large bifunctional molecules couldn't be orally delivered. Resolving this transformed the company's product profile from a constrained IV/subcutaneous drug into a once-daily pill, unlocking broad commercial markets and validating the entire degrader field.
  • ✓Phase 1 oncology as early proof strategy: When entering the value chain at discovery, design programs where meaningful signals appear in Phase 1, not Phase 2 or 3. Oncology enables this because patients are treated during dose escalation and tumor responses are measurable quickly. Arvinas targeted androgen receptor in prostate cancer and estrogen receptor in breast cancer specifically because PSA and tumor response data could validate the pharmacology early.
  • ✓Biomarker-driven patient selection from ctDNA: Arvinas's AR degrader worked strongly in patients with AR point mutations but less so in wild-type AR patients. Circulating tumor DNA analysis revealed wild-type patients had acquired multiple co-driver pathways, making them AR-independent. The actionable lesson: use ctDNA profiling to stratify patients before enrollment, matching degrader therapy to tumors where the target protein remains the active driver.
  • ✓RIPTACs and ternary complex binding affinity: RIPTACs (Receptor-Induced Proximity Targeted Chimeras) work by forcing a tissue-specific protein like the androgen receptor to bind an essential pan-cellular protein like BRD4. Binary drug-protein interactions involve roughly six atomic contacts; ternary complexes generate hundreds, producing picomolar binding affinity comparable to antibodies. BRD4, sequestered in the complex, cannot perform its transcriptional function, triggering apoptosis regardless of what other mutations are driving the tumor.

What It Covers

Tim Shannon, general partner at Canaan Partners and former pulmonary physician, traces the development of targeted protein degraders from a 2013 lunch with Yale chemist Craig Crews through Arvinas's FDA approval and Halda Therapeutics's $3 billion acquisition by Johnson & Johnson, while introducing his third company, Quarry, focused on next-generation induced proximity pharmacology.

Key Questions Answered

  • •Timing in biotech venture: Entering venture capital at the 2009 financial crisis trough, when peers demanded Phase 2 proof-of-concept before investing, proved optimal. Shannon's framework: identify when risk aversion has overcorrected and new science is maturing beneath depressed markets. The subsequent decade became one of biotech's strongest runs, rewarding those who committed capital when sentiment was most negative.
  • •Oral bioavailability as a strategic inflection point: In Arvinas's second or third year, Shannon redirected roughly $10 million — a significant portion of the budget — exclusively toward solving oral bioavailability for PROTACs. Most competitors believed large bifunctional molecules couldn't be orally delivered. Resolving this transformed the company's product profile from a constrained IV/subcutaneous drug into a once-daily pill, unlocking broad commercial markets and validating the entire degrader field.
  • •Phase 1 oncology as early proof strategy: When entering the value chain at discovery, design programs where meaningful signals appear in Phase 1, not Phase 2 or 3. Oncology enables this because patients are treated during dose escalation and tumor responses are measurable quickly. Arvinas targeted androgen receptor in prostate cancer and estrogen receptor in breast cancer specifically because PSA and tumor response data could validate the pharmacology early.
  • •Biomarker-driven patient selection from ctDNA: Arvinas's AR degrader worked strongly in patients with AR point mutations but less so in wild-type AR patients. Circulating tumor DNA analysis revealed wild-type patients had acquired multiple co-driver pathways, making them AR-independent. The actionable lesson: use ctDNA profiling to stratify patients before enrollment, matching degrader therapy to tumors where the target protein remains the active driver.
  • •RIPTACs and ternary complex binding affinity: RIPTACs (Receptor-Induced Proximity Targeted Chimeras) work by forcing a tissue-specific protein like the androgen receptor to bind an essential pan-cellular protein like BRD4. Binary drug-protein interactions involve roughly six atomic contacts; ternary complexes generate hundreds, producing picomolar binding affinity comparable to antibodies. BRD4, sequestered in the complex, cannot perform its transcriptional function, triggering apoptosis regardless of what other mutations are driving the tumor.
  • •Stealth mode as a competitive and fundraising strategy: Halda raised approximately $125–150 million across private rounds without broad outreach, relying on Craig Crews's track record to attract select investors quietly. Presenting 30-patient Phase 1 data at ESMO 2024 publicly for the first time, after pre-briefing interested acquirers, generated competitive acquisition offers within weeks. The approach preserved negotiating leverage and prevented competitors from tracking the program's direction during development.

Notable Moment

At Halda's lowest starting dose of 25mg — a level where responses were not expected — the first patient treated showed tumor activity. The team then had to add a 12.5mg cohort below their planned starting point to characterize the dose-response curve, an unusual reversal that signaled unexpectedly potent early clinical activity.

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Episode Transcript

Welcome to The Long Run. This is a podcast for biotech adventurers. I'm your host, Luke Timmerman. Today's guest is Tim Shannon. Tim is a general partner at Canaan Partners. He was a pulmonary and critical care physician in the early part of his career before moving over to R and D leadership in industry and then eventually into venture capital investing. Tim got his start as a VC during the great financial crisis. That may not sound good, but it was the beginning of a biotech venture capital boom. During those years, Tim met Craig Kruse, a professor of chemistry and pharmacology at Yale University. They got to work together on New Haven, Connecticut based Arvenus, a developer of a new class of small molecule drugs that act as targeted protein degraders or PROTATs for those who like snappy acronyms. They followed up that company by working together on Halda Therapeutics. It developed a different type of targeted protein integrator that acts through induced proximity or a hold and kill mechanism. These drugs are called RIP tax for short. Halda was acquired a little over a year ago by Johnson and Johnson for $3,000,000,000 based on encouraging early results for patients with advanced prostate cancer. Many other scientists are seeking to build on this success. This conversation touches on an important concept that doesn't get discussed often enough. Timing matters in biotech. You don't wanna be too early or too late when a new technology wave emerges. Now before we start, a word from the sponsor of the show, Alphasense. So far, 2026 has been a year of transition for health care and life sciences. Over the first half of this year, the Alphasense health care research team analyzed the individual stories moving the needle across the life sciences ecosystem as part of the Sector Spotlight series. The eight spotlights can be downloaded at timramanreport.com. They feature the high stakes battles for new drug markets like oral GLP-1s and targeted radioligand therapies, a resurgent biotech IPO market, and more. Follow the sector's key debates during the second half of twenty twenty six and beyond with the latest sector spotlights directly in Alphasense. And quick question, when was the last time a CRO told you what something costs before you signed an NDA, sat through two scoping calls, and waited a week for a scope of work? In bioanalysis, pricing gets treated like a closely guarded secret. DashBio thinks that's backward. It publishes pricing publicly, on its website, and even has a calculator that shows how the price changes if you redesign your study. You can see what your study costs before you talk to a human being. No surprise line items, no it depends, no games. Dash was built to be the bioanalysis company that's actually straightforward to work with. Transparent pricing, guaranteed timelines, and data in days, not months. If you're tired of pricing that feels like a negotiation every single time, run your bioanalysis with Dash. Visit …

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