Ep211: Ardem Patapoutian on Touch, Pain & New Discoveries in Neuroscience
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Piezo2 loss-of-function clinical profile: Humans with non-functional piezo2 genes cannot sense touch, lack proprioception entirely, and lose bladder-filling sensation. These patients either compensate visually to walk or use wheelchairs. This clinical data, documented by NIH researchers Alex Chesler and Carsten Bonnemann, confirms piezo2 as the primary mechanical transducer for touch and body-position awareness in humans.
- ✓Peripheral pain targeting strategy: Blocking pain at the peripheral nervous system — via ion channels like piezo2 or Nav1.8 — avoids addiction pathways located in the brain. Vertex's Nav1.8 inhibitor Journavx received FDA approval using this principle. Patapoutian's lab targets piezo2 specifically for tactile allodynia, where normally non-painful touch becomes painful, without blocking protective acute pain responses.
- ✓Local application as drug delivery solution: Systemic piezo2 blockers would eliminate touch and proprioception across the body, making oral pills non-viable. Patapoutian's lab focuses on topical or localized delivery — targeting the bladder or specific tissue sites — to achieve therapeutic benefit while avoiding on-target side effects that would impair normal sensory function.
- ✓Reductionist screening methodology: Rather than working directly with difficult-to-manipulate sensory neurons, Patapoutian's team screened Neuro2a cells — a standard petri-dish cell line — for mechanical current responses. From a 300-candidate RNAi knockdown screen taking roughly two to three days per candidate, postdoc Bertrand Coest identified piezo1 at candidate number 72 after approximately one year of negative results.
- ✓Curiosity-driven research as drug discovery pipeline: Patapoutian's lab discovered piezo roles in macrophage phagocytosis, uterine contractions during childbirth, and blood pressure regulation — none originally targeted. This expanding application map emerged purely from following mechanosensation questions. The lab now uses in silico compound screening across billions of molecules to find piezo modulators, reporting meaningful progress in 2025 after a decade of limited chemical hits.
What It Covers
Nobel laureate Ardem Patapoutian, neuroscientist at Scripps Research, traces his path from war-torn Lebanon to discovering piezo1 and piezo2 ion channels — proteins that translate mechanical force into touch, proprioception, blood pressure regulation, and pain signals — and explains how these findings are now driving non-addictive peripheral pain drug development.
Key Questions Answered
- •Piezo2 loss-of-function clinical profile: Humans with non-functional piezo2 genes cannot sense touch, lack proprioception entirely, and lose bladder-filling sensation. These patients either compensate visually to walk or use wheelchairs. This clinical data, documented by NIH researchers Alex Chesler and Carsten Bonnemann, confirms piezo2 as the primary mechanical transducer for touch and body-position awareness in humans.
- •Peripheral pain targeting strategy: Blocking pain at the peripheral nervous system — via ion channels like piezo2 or Nav1.8 — avoids addiction pathways located in the brain. Vertex's Nav1.8 inhibitor Journavx received FDA approval using this principle. Patapoutian's lab targets piezo2 specifically for tactile allodynia, where normally non-painful touch becomes painful, without blocking protective acute pain responses.
- •Local application as drug delivery solution: Systemic piezo2 blockers would eliminate touch and proprioception across the body, making oral pills non-viable. Patapoutian's lab focuses on topical or localized delivery — targeting the bladder or specific tissue sites — to achieve therapeutic benefit while avoiding on-target side effects that would impair normal sensory function.
- •Reductionist screening methodology: Rather than working directly with difficult-to-manipulate sensory neurons, Patapoutian's team screened Neuro2a cells — a standard petri-dish cell line — for mechanical current responses. From a 300-candidate RNAi knockdown screen taking roughly two to three days per candidate, postdoc Bertrand Coest identified piezo1 at candidate number 72 after approximately one year of negative results.
- •Curiosity-driven research as drug discovery pipeline: Patapoutian's lab discovered piezo roles in macrophage phagocytosis, uterine contractions during childbirth, and blood pressure regulation — none originally targeted. This expanding application map emerged purely from following mechanosensation questions. The lab now uses in silico compound screening across billions of molecules to find piezo modulators, reporting meaningful progress in 2025 after a decade of limited chemical hits.
- •Career positioning in emerging institutional environments: Patapoutian chose Scripps Research in 2000 over more established neuroscience departments, gaining a joint appointment split between academic Scripps and the Novartis-funded Genomics Institute. This gave access to high-throughput genomics tools and a small-team, Bell Labs-style discovery model. The decision, widely criticized by senior colleagues at the time, provided infrastructure that directly enabled the piezo discovery.
Notable Moment
Patapoutian revealed that epidurals given to laboring women frequently slow contractions — a clinically observed phenomenon without a clear mechanism. His mouse studies show piezo channels in sensory neurons drive the strong uterine contractions needed for birth, suggesting the epidural effect may work partly by blocking peripheral mechanosensation rather than purely central pain pathways.
Episode Transcript
Welcome to The Long Run. This is a podcast for biotech adventurers. I'm your host, Luke Timmerman. Today's guest is Artem Podipudian. Artem is a professor of neuroscience at Scripps Research in San Diego. His lab is focused on ion channels on the surface of cells that sense mechanical force and how those signals are translated into our sense of touch, pain, and other basic bodily functions. This curiosity driven research in the peripheral nervous system led Artem down a path to where he was eventually recognized with the Nobel Prize in 2021. It was for the discovery of piezo one and piezo two, a couple of ion channels. Genetic studies established that piezo2 is the main mechanical transducer for touch and proprioception, which is our sense of where our body is in physical space without having to look, among other things. Piezo one is now known to mediate our sense of blood flow, which impacts blood pressure regulation and the development of blood vessels. This field of discovery has significant implications for many areas of medicine. Listeners may be aware that another ion channel discovery for Nav one point eight led Vertex Pharmaceuticals to successfully develop a pain reliever that acts in the peripheral nervous system and avoids addiction pathways in the brain. That line of inquiry into peripheral ion channels is closely related to the kind of basic curiosity driven research done in labs like Artem's et Scripps. And like many great American scientists, Artem is an immigrant to this country. He grew up in Lebanon and is of Armenian heritage. His life story is an inspiring one, and it offers an example of how America can bring out the best in people and how we can be a beacon to the world. Now before we get started, a word from the sponsor of the show, AlphaSense. So far, 2026 has been a year of transition for healthcare and life sciences. Over the first half of this year, the Alfasense healthcare research team analyzed the individual stories moving the needle across the life sciences ecosystem as part of the Sector Spotlight series. The eight spotlights can be downloaded at timmermenreport.com. They feature the high stakes battles for new drug markets like oral GLP-1s and targeted radioligand therapies, a resurgent biotech IPO market, and more. Follow the sector's key debates during the second half of twenty twenty six and beyond with the latest sector spotlights directly on Alphasense. And quick question. When was the last time a CRO told you what something costs before you sign an NDA, sat through two scoping calls, and waited a week for a scope of work? In bioanalysis, pricing gets treated like a closely guarded secret. DashBio thinks that's backward. It publishes pricing publicly on its website and even has a calculator that shows how the price changes if you redesign your study. You can see what your study costs before you talk to a human being. No surprise line items, no it …
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