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Ep205: Heather Turner on a Schizophrenia Drug Patients Can Stick With

68 min episode · 3 min read
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Heather Turner

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68 min

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3 min

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Career Growth, Investing, Fundraising & VC

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Key Takeaways

  • Blood-brain barrier modification: Adding a single methyl group to amisulpride transforms a 50-country-approved antipsychotic into a once-daily compound with improved brain penetration. The methylation increases lipophilicity, enabling more efficient transport across the blood-brain barrier, reducing required doses, extending brain residence time, and opening a long-acting injectable formulation pathway — a meaningful adherence advantage in schizophrenia where staying on medication is the central clinical challenge.
  • Placebo rate management in CNS trials: Unlike metabolic trials where outcomes are objective measurements like body weight, neuropsychiatric trials rely on subjective symptom scales, making placebo response rates a primary execution risk. LB102's Phase 2 NOVA-1 trial achieved statistical significance across all three doses (50mg, 75mg, 100mg) partly by actively managing placebo inflation — a trial design discipline that Turner identifies as underappreciated before entering the CNS space.
  • Cognition as a cross-indication signal: LB102's Phase 2 data showed a measurable effect on cognitive impairment, a symptom affecting roughly 80% of schizophrenia patients and 45–60% of bipolar and MDD patients. This cognitive signal creates a clinical rationale for expanding into mood disorders beyond schizophrenia, and Turner plans to formally assess cognition endpoints across all subsequent trials as a differentiating data point.
  • Recap IPO as a price-discovery tool: Facing $14M in remaining cash, no crossover round, and a two-year timeline to catalyst, LB Pharmaceuticals executed an IPO by inverting the standard pricing dynamic — asking investors what they would pay rather than dictating terms. This approach self-selected for long-duration investors comfortable with a two-year wait, producing post-IPO price stability and enabling a subsequent $100M PIPE within months of listing.
  • General counsel as CEO training ground: The GC role provides exposure to every company function — finance, HR, regulatory, strategy, board governance — through contract review, risk assessment, and large project management like IPOs and M&A. Turner argues this breadth, combined with managing high-stakes litigation and capital transactions, builds the operational range needed for a CEO role faster than most functional career paths, particularly for business-minded attorneys in biotech.

What It Covers

Heather Turner, CEO of LB Pharmaceuticals, traces her path from environmental law to biotech executive, culminating in Carmot Therapeutics' $2.7B Roche acquisition. She now leads LB Pharmaceuticals through late-stage development of LB102, a methylated amisulpride derivative targeting schizophrenia, bipolar depression, and adjunctive major depressive disorder.

Key Questions Answered

  • Blood-brain barrier modification: Adding a single methyl group to amisulpride transforms a 50-country-approved antipsychotic into a once-daily compound with improved brain penetration. The methylation increases lipophilicity, enabling more efficient transport across the blood-brain barrier, reducing required doses, extending brain residence time, and opening a long-acting injectable formulation pathway — a meaningful adherence advantage in schizophrenia where staying on medication is the central clinical challenge.
  • Placebo rate management in CNS trials: Unlike metabolic trials where outcomes are objective measurements like body weight, neuropsychiatric trials rely on subjective symptom scales, making placebo response rates a primary execution risk. LB102's Phase 2 NOVA-1 trial achieved statistical significance across all three doses (50mg, 75mg, 100mg) partly by actively managing placebo inflation — a trial design discipline that Turner identifies as underappreciated before entering the CNS space.
  • Cognition as a cross-indication signal: LB102's Phase 2 data showed a measurable effect on cognitive impairment, a symptom affecting roughly 80% of schizophrenia patients and 45–60% of bipolar and MDD patients. This cognitive signal creates a clinical rationale for expanding into mood disorders beyond schizophrenia, and Turner plans to formally assess cognition endpoints across all subsequent trials as a differentiating data point.
  • Recap IPO as a price-discovery tool: Facing $14M in remaining cash, no crossover round, and a two-year timeline to catalyst, LB Pharmaceuticals executed an IPO by inverting the standard pricing dynamic — asking investors what they would pay rather than dictating terms. This approach self-selected for long-duration investors comfortable with a two-year wait, producing post-IPO price stability and enabling a subsequent $100M PIPE within months of listing.
  • General counsel as CEO training ground: The GC role provides exposure to every company function — finance, HR, regulatory, strategy, board governance — through contract review, risk assessment, and large project management like IPOs and M&A. Turner argues this breadth, combined with managing high-stakes litigation and capital transactions, builds the operational range needed for a CEO role faster than most functional career paths, particularly for business-minded attorneys in biotech.
  • End-of-phase-two FDA meeting as a financing lever: LB Pharmaceuticals' FDA end-of-phase-two meeting produced feedback indicating the Phase 2 trial had characteristics of an adequate and well-controlled study, suggesting a single successful Phase 3 trial could support an NDA submission. This regulatory signal directly enabled the company's fundraising narrative, justifying the capital required for a full Phase 3 schizophrenia program rather than a more modest Phase 2 repeat.

Notable Moment

Turner reveals that her husband was the first person to suggest she would become a CEO — a thought she had never entertained herself. Despite accumulating operating leadership experience across multiple companies for years, she had consistently held back from pursuing broader titles, a pattern she attributes to a tendency common among women in biotech.

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Episode Transcript

Welcome to The Long Run. This is a podcast for biotech adventurers. I'm your host, Luke Timmerman. Today's guest is Heather Turner. Heather is the CEO of New York based LB Pharmaceuticals. It's a company developing treatments for serious mental health disorders, such as schizophrenia, depression, and bipolar disorder. The company is running late stage clinical trials for its lead drug candidate, LB102. And this is a methylated derivative of amisopride, which is a benzamide antipsychotic that's approved in more than 50 countries, but never made it to the market in The US before going generic. The LB modification is supposed to make the compound more efficiently cross the blood brain barrier, so it can be given in lower doses and once a day instead of twice a day like with amisulpride. It should be easier for patients to adhere to this way, and that's always a challenge. And it's especially important for mental health where many people struggle to stay on their meds consistently. Heather comes to this opportunity in her second go round as a CEO. The first was with Carmont Therapeutics, a company that developed GLP-one receptor agonist based treatments for weight loss. Carmont was acquired by Roche for $2,700,000,000 up front, plus $400,000,000 in milestones in 2024. Heather came to the biotech industry from a career in law. Her path to become a successful biotech CEO wasn't obvious from the beginning, which is part of what makes her story interesting. Now before we get started, a word from the sponsor of the show, AlphaSense. Under unprecedented time and cost pressures, many life sciences teams have reached for off the shelf AI tools to stay afloat. Yet they have discovered that generic AI tools introduce new risks, such as hallucination. Tools that cannot withstand scientific or regulatory scrutiny are a liability in MLR review, portfolio committees, and investment decisions where every claim must be traceable to a source. More than isolated tools, teams need purpose built intelligence layer designed for the rigor that the industry demands. Across life sciences functions, platforms like AlphaSense are streamlining the entire decision cycle. Go to timbermanreport.com for a link to download this report that covers the top AI use cases that have transformed how the industry's leading teams reach defensible answers. And quick question, when was the last time a CRO told you what something costs before you signed an NDA, sat through two scoping calls, and waited a week for a scope of work? In bioanalysis, pricing gets treated like a guarded secret. Dashbio thinks that's backward. It publishes pricing publicly on its website and even has a calculator that shows how the price changes if you redesign your study. You can see what your study costs before you talk to a human being. No surprise line items. No it depends. No games. Dash was built to be the bioanalysis company that's actually straightforward to work with. Transparent pricing, guaranteed timelines, and data in days, not months. If you're tired …

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