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Ep202: Becky Pferdehirt on Reimagining Science for the AI Era

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Becky Pferdehirt

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68 min

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Key Takeaways

  • Publishing policy as leverage point: Radial prohibits researchers from spending time or money on traditional journal articles. Instead, all outputs must be shared openly and immediately under open licenses in FAIR-compliant venues. The rationale: journal publications are the "gravitational center of dysfunction" — they cause data hoarding, delayed methods, and narrative-driven science that distorts what research actually gets done.
  • Diffuse scattering as untapped AI training data: X-ray crystallography generates a secondary signal called diffuse scattering that crystallographers have discarded as background noise for decades. Radial's Diffuse Project hypothesizes this signal encodes protein conformational dynamics — the ensemble of structures a protein adopts — and is now building a pipeline from sample prep through PDB-compatible databases to test whether this data can train next-generation protein dynamics models beyond AlphaFold.
  • Industry platforms as public-good data generators: Rather than defaulting to academic labs for open-source data generation, Radial funds biotech companies with existing platforms to produce public datasets. The ADME data project with Octant demonstrates this: companies share data that isn't their competitive moat (composition of matter remains proprietary) while philanthropy funds the generation cost, producing universally accessible predictive models for absorption, distribution, metabolism, and excretion.
  • Funding criteria for philanthropic capital deployment: Radial applies a three-question filter before committing resources: Is this something only Radial could do, or only Radial would do? If funded, would the work be done differently and better? If the answer is simply "more funding solves it," a grant suffices. If coordination and full-time talent are required, Radial builds an internal hub with external collaborators. If no one is doing it, Radial hires directly.
  • Data-driven science selection over fundability: Too much research is designed around what grant committees will approve rather than what information would most advance a field. Radial's approach asks: if maximizing informational delta were the goal, what experiments would you run? This reframes funding decisions toward filling gaps in a knowledge graph of biology rather than adding incremental omics datasets to already-crowded areas.

What It Covers

Becky Pferdehirt, CEO of Radial at the Astera Institute, explains how a $500M philanthropic commitment aims to fix structural failures across academia, industry, and venture capital by building open-source data infrastructure, rethinking publication incentives, and creating the data conditions necessary for AI to advance biological understanding.

Key Questions Answered

  • Publishing policy as leverage point: Radial prohibits researchers from spending time or money on traditional journal articles. Instead, all outputs must be shared openly and immediately under open licenses in FAIR-compliant venues. The rationale: journal publications are the "gravitational center of dysfunction" — they cause data hoarding, delayed methods, and narrative-driven science that distorts what research actually gets done.
  • Diffuse scattering as untapped AI training data: X-ray crystallography generates a secondary signal called diffuse scattering that crystallographers have discarded as background noise for decades. Radial's Diffuse Project hypothesizes this signal encodes protein conformational dynamics — the ensemble of structures a protein adopts — and is now building a pipeline from sample prep through PDB-compatible databases to test whether this data can train next-generation protein dynamics models beyond AlphaFold.
  • Industry platforms as public-good data generators: Rather than defaulting to academic labs for open-source data generation, Radial funds biotech companies with existing platforms to produce public datasets. The ADME data project with Octant demonstrates this: companies share data that isn't their competitive moat (composition of matter remains proprietary) while philanthropy funds the generation cost, producing universally accessible predictive models for absorption, distribution, metabolism, and excretion.
  • Funding criteria for philanthropic capital deployment: Radial applies a three-question filter before committing resources: Is this something only Radial could do, or only Radial would do? If funded, would the work be done differently and better? If the answer is simply "more funding solves it," a grant suffices. If coordination and full-time talent are required, Radial builds an internal hub with external collaborators. If no one is doing it, Radial hires directly.
  • Data-driven science selection over fundability: Too much research is designed around what grant committees will approve rather than what information would most advance a field. Radial's approach asks: if maximizing informational delta were the goal, what experiments would you run? This reframes funding decisions toward filling gaps in a knowledge graph of biology rather than adding incremental omics datasets to already-crowded areas.
  • Industry postdocs as underutilized career paths: Scientists wanting translational exposure without permanently leaving research should consider industry postdocs at companies like Genentech or Amgen. These positions offer publishable basic research, drug discovery mentorship, team science experience, and exposure to multiple career paths — all within a structured safety net. The hybrid format keeps academic and industry doors open simultaneously, unlike a traditional postdoc or entry-level industry role.

Notable Moment

Pferdehirt describes a scenario where a researcher publishes raw experimental data — method, code, results — immediately at week's end without writing a narrative paper. That data then gets ingested by an LLM, improves model fine-tuning, and connects with another lab's dataset to demonstrate reproducibility, all without a single journal submission.

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Episode Transcript

Welcome to the long run. This is a podcast for biotech adventurers. I'm your host, Luke Timmerman. Today's guest is Becky Fertherhert. Becky is the CEO of Radial, the Emeryville, California based life sciences division of the Astera Institute. This nonprofit made news back in March when it committed $500,000,000 to Radial with a mission to reimagine data generation, sharing, infrastructure, and tools necessary to create the right conditions for AI to help solve biological problems. Becky called it, quote, unglamorous, unsexy infrastructure and tools in an interview with Stapp. Becky comes to this work with a wide range of experiences in science. She started in academia, moved to industry labs, and investing team at Andreessen Horowitz's Bio and Health Fund. This episode is about a fundamental question that I think a lot of people are wrestling with. How to lay down the ideal conditions for biology to thrive in the age of AI. Now a word from the sponsor of the show, AlphaSense. AI has advanced from pilot programs into real biopharma workflows. But has it lived up to the hype? Drawing from an expert call with doctor Paul Agapau, former director of data science at GSK, AlphaSense has a new report that dissects whether AI is on track to make drug development faster, cheaper, and more successful. Learn how AI is reshaping drug development in real time, turning AI execution into a key competitive differentiator. Listeners can go to timbermintreport.com for the show summary for a link to download the report. And, bioanalysis should not rely on which scientists at the CRO you get. These are assays, not consulting. Your results should be the same, regardless of who does the work. We love working with our CRO when we get the right PI. It's a red flag, not a compliment. And if the quality of your bioanalysis depends on which principal investigator happens to be assigned to your study, you don't have a CRO partnership, you have a lottery ticket. DASH was built around automation and standardized workflows specifically to eliminate that variability. Every study gets the same rigor and the same rapid turnaround, days not weeks, across ELISA, MSD, LCMS, and PCR. GLP compliant, transparent pricing, guaranteed outcomes. You shouldn't have to ask who's running your study. You should just get great data. Visit www.-.bio. Now please enjoy this conversation with Becky Fertahert on The Long Run. Becky Fertahert, welcome to The Long Run. Thanks, Luke. Glad to be here. So I'm excited to talk about, we can really nerd out on the, the scientific enterprise. You know, how do we make science work better itself? I think this is an important topic and something that's really relevant to where we're at right here and now at this moment in science history. So it's it's great to have you, Becky. Thanks. Happy to be here. Let's start off with a little bit on how you got here, your journey. I know you're you're originally from Wisconsin. Is …

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    X-ray crystallography generates a secondary signal called diffuse scattering that crystallographers have discarded as background noise for decades. Radial's Diffuse Project hypothesizes this signal encodes protein conformational dynamics and is now building a pipeline from sample prep through PDB-compatible databases to test whether this data can train next-generation protein dynamics models.
  • Radial's Diffuse Project is building a pipeline from sample prep through PDB-compatible databases to test whether this data can train next-generation protein dynamics models beyond AlphaFold.
  • Radial's Diffuse Project hypothesizes this signal encodes protein conformational dynamics and is now building a pipeline from sample prep through PDB-compatible databases to test whether this data can train next-generation protein dynamics models beyond AlphaFold.

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  • Scientists wanting translational exposure without permanently leaving research should consider industry postdocs at companies like Genentech or Amgen. These positions offer publishable basic research, drug discovery mentorship, team science experience, and exposure to multiple career paths.
  • Scientists wanting translational exposure without permanently leaving research should consider industry postdocs at companies like Genentech or Amgen. These positions offer publishable basic research, drug discovery mentorship, team science experience, and exposure to multiple career paths.
  • The ADME data project with Octant demonstrates this: companies share data that isn't their competitive moat while philanthropy funds the generation cost, producing universally accessible predictive models for absorption, distribution, metabolism, and excretion.
  • Becky Pferdehirt, CEO of Radial at the Astera Institute, explains how a $500M philanthropic commitment aims to fix structural failures across academia, industry, and venture capital.
  • Becky Pferdehirt, CEO of Radial at the Astera Institute, explains how a $500M philanthropic commitment aims to fix structural failures across academia, industry, and venture capital by building open-source data infrastructure, rethinking publication incentives, and creating the data conditions necessary for AI to advance biological understanding.

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