Ep188: Art Krieg on Innate Immune System Activators for Cancer
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Innate immune quorum sensing: Tumors recruit immune cells by mimicking damaged tissue, triggering wound-repair responses instead of antiviral attack. Zola's approach delivers synthetic lipid particles containing both viral DNA and RNA signals to override this misdirection, telling immune cells a retrovirus is present and activating CD8 T cells that evolved specifically to kill virus-infected cells — the same mechanism needed to eliminate tumors.
- ✓TLR9-only limitation: Krieg's prior company Checkmate achieved a 20–25% response rate in checkpoint-refractory melanoma using a TLR9 agonist alone. The ceiling existed because myeloid suppressor cells in tumors lack TLR9 receptors, making them unresponsive. Adding TLR7 and TLR8 agonists targets those previously unreachable suppressive cells, addressing the core mechanism of immune tolerance that blocked higher response rates in earlier trials.
- ✓Cytokine storm avoidance: Conventional immune activators trigger inflammatory cytokines alongside antiviral responses, risking dangerous cytokine storm. Zola's triple-receptor agonist, tested in mice and monkeys at doses 100 times the expected human dose, produced strong interferon responses without inflammatory cytokine elevation — a profile no prior agent has demonstrated, potentially enabling safer dose escalation in future human trials.
- ✓IV delivery exploits tumor biology: Tumors cause surrounding immune cells to upregulate lipid uptake receptors to sample the local tissue environment. Zola's lipid-encapsulated particles administered intravenously are preferentially absorbed by these primed immune cells near tumors, enabling systemic delivery without requiring direct intratumoral injection. Early dog trials show tumor regression via IV dosing, including regression of tumors distant from the injection site.
- ✓Canine oncology as development accelerator: Zola is running pet dog cancer trials funded by the nonprofit Canine Cancer Alliance at a fraction of human trial costs — hundreds of thousands versus the $5 million needed for IND-enabling studies. Four of seven enrolled dogs show tumor regression across lung cancer, melanoma, fibrosarcoma, and hemangiosarcoma. This model allows dosing regimen optimization and translational data generation before human trials begin.
What It Covers
Art Krieg, founder of Zola Therapeutics and pioneer of CpG DNA immunotherapy, explains how his new oligonucleotide drug candidate simultaneously activates TLR7, TLR8, and TLR9 receptors to mimic a retroviral infection signal, potentially converting immune-suppressive tumor environments into active cancer-killing responses across multiple solid tumor types.
Key Questions Answered
- •Innate immune quorum sensing: Tumors recruit immune cells by mimicking damaged tissue, triggering wound-repair responses instead of antiviral attack. Zola's approach delivers synthetic lipid particles containing both viral DNA and RNA signals to override this misdirection, telling immune cells a retrovirus is present and activating CD8 T cells that evolved specifically to kill virus-infected cells — the same mechanism needed to eliminate tumors.
- •TLR9-only limitation: Krieg's prior company Checkmate achieved a 20–25% response rate in checkpoint-refractory melanoma using a TLR9 agonist alone. The ceiling existed because myeloid suppressor cells in tumors lack TLR9 receptors, making them unresponsive. Adding TLR7 and TLR8 agonists targets those previously unreachable suppressive cells, addressing the core mechanism of immune tolerance that blocked higher response rates in earlier trials.
- •Cytokine storm avoidance: Conventional immune activators trigger inflammatory cytokines alongside antiviral responses, risking dangerous cytokine storm. Zola's triple-receptor agonist, tested in mice and monkeys at doses 100 times the expected human dose, produced strong interferon responses without inflammatory cytokine elevation — a profile no prior agent has demonstrated, potentially enabling safer dose escalation in future human trials.
- •IV delivery exploits tumor biology: Tumors cause surrounding immune cells to upregulate lipid uptake receptors to sample the local tissue environment. Zola's lipid-encapsulated particles administered intravenously are preferentially absorbed by these primed immune cells near tumors, enabling systemic delivery without requiring direct intratumoral injection. Early dog trials show tumor regression via IV dosing, including regression of tumors distant from the injection site.
- •Canine oncology as development accelerator: Zola is running pet dog cancer trials funded by the nonprofit Canine Cancer Alliance at a fraction of human trial costs — hundreds of thousands versus the $5 million needed for IND-enabling studies. Four of seven enrolled dogs show tumor regression across lung cancer, melanoma, fibrosarcoma, and hemangiosarcoma. This model allows dosing regimen optimization and translational data generation before human trials begin.
- •Serendipity-driven discovery methodology: Krieg's 1995 Nature paper identifying CpG DNA as an immune stimulant originated from control oligonucleotides — sequences designed to do nothing — that unexpectedly drove B cell proliferation stronger than anything previously published. The key insight came from recognizing that unmethylated cytosine-guanine sequences in bacterial DNA differ from methylated human DNA, giving the immune system a molecular signature to distinguish self from pathogen.
Notable Moment
During Checkmate trials, one patient with a brain tumor showed apparent regression following peripheral injection of CpG DNA — suggesting that T cells activated elsewhere in the body crossed the blood-brain barrier and attacked the tumor. This unplanned observation raises the possibility that systemic immune activation could reach otherwise inaccessible metastatic sites.
Episode Transcript
Welcome to the long run. This is a podcast for biotech adventurers. I'm your host, Luke Timmerman. Today's guest is Art Krieg. Art is the founder and CEO of a Cambridge, Massachusetts based startup called Zola Therapeutics. Zola is developing an oligonucleotide drug candidate to activate a family of Toll like receptors known as TLR seven, TLR eight, and TLR nine. Activating these receptors is thought to spur the innate immune system to attack cancer cells. Art designed the molecule himself and believes it could be the biggest thing he's done in a long and distinguished career. He's a physician scientist who is considered one of the founders of the field of oligonucleotide therapies. These drugs consist of short strands of synthetic RNA or DNA to do some specific task. Art became enthralled with this type of medicine when he was a rheumatologist, thinking about how oligos might modulate the immune system. When he was on the faculty at the University of Iowa in the nineteen nineties, Art discovered the immune stimulatory CpG DNA motif, which led to a new approach to immunotherapy and vaccine adjuvants. He then moved over to industry, living through a historic boom in cancer immunotherapy in the twenty tens. His most recent company, Checkmate Pharmaceuticals, developed a TLR7 agonist for cancer, which was acquired by Regeneron Pharmaceuticals for 250,000,000 in 2022. I should also mention here that Art happens to be an avid outdoorsman and trail runner. He has been a terrific participant, volunteer guide, and friend to me on many of the Timberman Traverse outings over the years. I reckon after having a bunch of science conversations with him on the trails, it was time to invite Art to sit down and share his wisdom about the state of cancer immunotherapy and how oligotherapies could fit into the landscape. Now before we get started, a word from the sponsor of the long run, Dash Bio. Are you tired of inconsistent bioanalysis results and waiting months for data that should take days? Dash is the only bioanalysis CRO built from the ground up with a tech first approach designed to deliver better, faster, and cheaper than anyone else. With DASH, you get faster turnaround with results in days, not months. High quality data across major assay types including ELISA MSD, LC MS, and PCR, supporting all modalities and therapeutic areas, and customer first policies like guaranteed outcomes and transparent pricing. From preclinical to late stage studies, DASH helps you move from assay development and validation to sample analysis with unmatched speed. Founded by industry veterans who felt the pain of traditional CROs, DASH is the partner researchers and clinical leaders actually need, Reliable, fast, and easy to work with. So if slow bioanalysis CROs are costing you money and missed deadlines, put Dash to the test. Visit www.dash.bio and see how fast bioanalysis can be. Now please enjoy this conversation with Art Krieg on The Long Run. Art Krieg, welcome to The Long Run. Thanks, …
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