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1393: Andrew Herr | Why Travel Leaves You Wrecked (and How to Fix It)

76 min episode · 3 min read
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Andrew Herr

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76 min

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3 min

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Productivity, Health & Wellness, Startups

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Key Takeaways

  • ✓Aircraft selection: Boeing 787 Dreamliners and Airbus A350s pressurize cabins to 6,000 feet relative altitude versus 8,000 feet on all other commercial jets, delivering measurably more oxygen per breath, lower inflammation risk, higher humidity, and reduced dehydration. The 787 also uses separate compressors instead of engine bleed air, eliminating exposure to organophosphate-containing engine oil fumes that have caused documented passenger illness and at least one flight attendant death.
  • ✓Flight inflammation protocol: Exercising or using a sauna within a few hours before boarding activates stress-responsive genes and hormetic pathways that prime the body's protective systems against cabin-pressure-induced oxidative stress. Polyphenol compounds — from tart cherry, pomegranate, black currant, or anthocyanin extracts — activate cellular protective enzymes more effectively than vitamin C or zinc pills, which only help if the traveler is already deficient in those nutrients.
  • ✓Jet lag has two distinct components: Flight-induced systemic inflammation disrupts REM sleep and blocks circadian resetting, compounding the time-zone shift. Addressing only one component — such as taking melatonin alone — produces incomplete recovery. Methylcobalamin (methylated B12) shifts circadian rhythm forward; magnesium glycinate calms the nervous system; melatonin shifts rhythm backward. Meal timing and light exposure must be coordinated with sleep timing to accelerate full circadian realignment across multiple time zones.
  • ✓Blood clots and edema from pressure, not sitting: Studies placing subjects in simulated cabin pressure environments — without extended sitting — produced dramatically elevated blood-clotting activation. People with the Factor V Leiden genetic mutation face substantially higher risk and should take particular precautions. Leg swelling during flights is edema caused by inflammation weakening blood vessel integrity, not simply fluid pooling from inactivity, and can result in 0.5 to 1 liter of fluid shifting into the legs.
  • ✓Hotel air quality and sleep temperature: Requesting fragrance-free cleaning — available at properties including Ritz-Carlton Marina del Rey — reduces upper respiratory inflammation from synthetic fragrances linked to lung aging in professional cleaners. Sleeping at 67–69°F optimizes deep sleep by signaling the brain's sleep-wake center through rapid body temperature drop. Using skirt-clip hangers to seal blackout curtain gaps blocks disruptive light without requiring motorized blinds or additional equipment.

What It Covers

Andrew Herr, founder of FlyKit, explains the physiological mechanisms behind travel fatigue — including cabin pressure-induced inflammation, oxygen reduction of 26%, toxic bleed air, and circadian disruption — and provides specific, evidence-based strategies for aircraft selection, supplementation, hotel air quality, sleep temperature, and food safety abroad.

Key Questions Answered

  • •Aircraft selection: Boeing 787 Dreamliners and Airbus A350s pressurize cabins to 6,000 feet relative altitude versus 8,000 feet on all other commercial jets, delivering measurably more oxygen per breath, lower inflammation risk, higher humidity, and reduced dehydration. The 787 also uses separate compressors instead of engine bleed air, eliminating exposure to organophosphate-containing engine oil fumes that have caused documented passenger illness and at least one flight attendant death.
  • •Flight inflammation protocol: Exercising or using a sauna within a few hours before boarding activates stress-responsive genes and hormetic pathways that prime the body's protective systems against cabin-pressure-induced oxidative stress. Polyphenol compounds — from tart cherry, pomegranate, black currant, or anthocyanin extracts — activate cellular protective enzymes more effectively than vitamin C or zinc pills, which only help if the traveler is already deficient in those nutrients.
  • •Jet lag has two distinct components: Flight-induced systemic inflammation disrupts REM sleep and blocks circadian resetting, compounding the time-zone shift. Addressing only one component — such as taking melatonin alone — produces incomplete recovery. Methylcobalamin (methylated B12) shifts circadian rhythm forward; magnesium glycinate calms the nervous system; melatonin shifts rhythm backward. Meal timing and light exposure must be coordinated with sleep timing to accelerate full circadian realignment across multiple time zones.
  • •Blood clots and edema from pressure, not sitting: Studies placing subjects in simulated cabin pressure environments — without extended sitting — produced dramatically elevated blood-clotting activation. People with the Factor V Leiden genetic mutation face substantially higher risk and should take particular precautions. Leg swelling during flights is edema caused by inflammation weakening blood vessel integrity, not simply fluid pooling from inactivity, and can result in 0.5 to 1 liter of fluid shifting into the legs.
  • •Hotel air quality and sleep temperature: Requesting fragrance-free cleaning — available at properties including Ritz-Carlton Marina del Rey — reduces upper respiratory inflammation from synthetic fragrances linked to lung aging in professional cleaners. Sleeping at 67–69°F optimizes deep sleep by signaling the brain's sleep-wake center through rapid body temperature drop. Using skirt-clip hangers to seal blackout curtain gaps blocks disruptive light without requiring motorized blinds or additional equipment.
  • •Traveler's diarrhea prevention: Starting saccharomyces boulardii probiotics one week before departure provides the most evidence-supported protection against foodborne illness abroad. Spicy food and garlic have no antibacterial effect on pathogens — bacteria lack the capsaicin receptor. Salt at high concentrations does inhibit bacterial growth, making saltier cooked foods marginally safer. Locals develop immune tolerance through childhood exposure, but people who emigrate and return lose that tolerance over time.

Notable Moment

Herr describes injecting blood from a rapidly decompressed rat into a healthy rat, which then developed decompression sickness — demonstrating that altitude-induced illness is driven by an immune cascade triggered by micro-particles from white blood cells, not simply nitrogen bubbles. This same inflammatory mechanism activates in airplane passengers during every standard commercial flight.

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Episode Transcript

Coming up next on the Jordan Harbinger show. It turns out that it's not just because you're sitting for a long time. Many Americans sit on their couch for eight hours at a time, and they have done these studies, and it's the pressure change. They had people sit in a non pressurized environment, and then they took them into a... An environment that mimicked the plane, and the dramatically higher risk of activation of blood clotting if you're in this pressurized lower pressure environment. There is one thing you can do, and that's primarily on long haul flights, and that's fly on a seven eight seven. Along with a three fifties, these are the only two major commercial jets that have better cabin pressure. Because of their composite structure, they pressurize the plane to about 6,000 feet relative altitude, whereas almost every other commercial jet is pressurized to 8,000 feet relative. So that means you have a lot more cabin pressure, which means less flight inflammation as well as more humidity and other things. You're not losing as much water. You're not as dehydrated. So flying on a seven eighty seven or an a three fifty can help you feel better from the flight stress and the inflammation. Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan Harbinger. On the Jordan Harbinger show, we decode the stories, secrets, and skills of the world's most fascinating people. Our mission is to help you become a better informed, more critical thinker through long form conversations with a variety of amazing folks from spies to CEOs, athletes, authors, thinkers, and performers, even the occasional neuroscientist, war correspondent, or extreme athlete. And if you're new to the show or you wanna tell your friends about the show, I suggest our episode starter packs. These are collections of some of our favorite episodes on topics like persuasion and negotiation, psychology and geopolitics, disinformation, China, North Korea, crime and cults, and more. It'll help new listeners get a taste of everything we do here on the show. Just visit jordanharbinger.com/start or search for us in your Spotify app to get started. Today on the show, you ever board a plane thinking you'll get eight hours of work done and then you spend the flight barely conscious watching a movie you won't remember? Apparently, your ambition isn't the only thing losing cabin pressure. Today, Andrew Herr joins us to unpack why flying can leave you feeling wrecked and why he thinks there's more going on than just a time zone change. We'll explore how the timing of light, food, and sleep can help sabotage your adjustment, and we'll get into surviving the destination itself, sleeping in a hotel room that smells like a perfume counter exploded and enjoying local food without spending your vacation reviewing the bathroom tile. A few small changes could make your next trip considerably less miserable. Here we go with Andrew Herr. It's good to have you on the show because I've talked about FlyKit …

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