#245 – Hiring a Team You Actually Like with Ben Orenstein and Derrick Reimer

What's up, everybody? This is Cortland from ndhackers.com, and you're listening to the Indie Hackers podcast. More people than ever are building cool stuff online and making a lot of money in the process. And on this show, I sit down with these indie hackers to discuss the ideas, the opportunities, and the strategies they're taking advantage of so the rest of us can do the same. Today, I'm talking to Ben Orenstein and Derek Reimer on the Art of Product podcast. They've both been on the show before. Ben is a cofounder of a company called Tuple, which has gotta be the best tool for remote pair programming. And Derek is the founder of a company called SavvyCal, which is what I use to schedule meetings, podcast recordings, and literally any type of appointment where I need to see if my calendar matches up with the other person's. In this episode, I talked to Ben and Derek about community building, about long term goal setting, and about building a dream team of people that you actually enjoy working with at your start up. If you like the episode, make sure to head over to their podcast, The Art of Product, and subscribe. So, we didn't Jared and I were noticing that you have not been very active on Twitter lately. I'll I'll just come out and say, I don't like tweeting. I don't like being, a personal brand that much. It's a lot of effort. It feels like, sort of endless treadmill where you can never really win. You know? You're just always sort of running off of it, and the second you stop, you die. And so I just stopped, which I guess means I'm dead. But I think, you know, for me, building a community like, the cool thing is, like, community goes on without me. You know? I can just step away for a week or two or a month, and ND hackers goes on because, like, I am not the value for ND hackers. It's everybody in the community making posts and talking to each other and leaving comments, etcetera, etcetera. And so it's like, I have the opportunity to build something much bigger than myself. And every now and then, I find myself backsliding. Like, I talked to a friend who's just, like, crushing it on Twitter, or their newsletter just hit 200,000 subscribers. I'm like, oh, man. I'm doing it wrong. Like, should I do that? And then I asked them what their goals are for the future, and they're like, well, I hope I can turn my audience into a community so that I can take a breather. I'm like, wait a minute. I'm already there. So, I probably should, you know, quote, should tweet more. It would be nice to tweet more, but, like, it takes a lot of energy and effort to try to get the community going where I want it to go and have the sort of life …