#243 – Mental Health and Bootstrapping in 2022 with Rob Walling of TinySeed

What's up, everybody? This is Cortland from ndhackers.com, and you're listening to the nd hackers podcast. More people than ever are building cool stuff online and making a lot of money in the process. And on this show, I sit down with these nd hackers to discuss the ideas, the opportunities, and the strategies they're taking advantage of so the rest of us can do the same. Today, I'm talking to Rob Walling. Rob has been on the show plenty of times before. He is the founder of MicroConf, the best conference for bootstrapped founders. He's the founder of TinySeed, where he invests and bootstrapped founders. And he was also the founder of Drip, an email marketing tool that he sold for millions of dollars. Finally, Rob is the host of a great podcast called Startups for the Rest of Us. I recommend checking it out if you haven't yet. We actually recorded this interview on his show, and I'm cross posting it here for all of you to listen to. Enjoy. I'm Rob Walling, your Cortland Allen. We're put we're putting this on both of our feeds. Yeah. So it's I I can't just, like, do the start ups the rest of us intro because people be like, wait a minute. This is on the indie hackers feed. So I think we're coming out a day apart, but, I'm excited to sit down with you, man. Me too. You're always one of my favorite people to, chat with in, like, podcast form and in real life too. And I feel like you asked a question on Twitter, what should we talk about? And we got, like, a million different answers. Plus, we had a list of stuff we wanna talk about, and so maybe we'll go long this time. This is I think we can. Yeah. I'm excited about it. Likewise too. I appreciate the compliment. I certainly feel the same way. I really look forward to you and I sitting down because we have I feel like we have enough shared views and enough shared kind of world views of bootstrapping and indie hacking that it makes sense, but not the overlap's not a complete circle, you know, like a Venn diagram that's just a circle. And so there's I always learn feel like I learn from you, and I expand my thinking when when we talk. It's funny you say that. I I listened to your episode on, My First Million. And I think near the end of the episode, you were giving startup ideas. And Sam Parr, I think, was the one hosting that particular one. And he's a funny guy because he's so disagreeable. Like, no matter what you say, he'll just, like, come out and be like, I think this is absolutely untrue or to say the exact opposite. And he's not afraid of looking dumb and being wrong or whatever. Right. And that, like, is really entertaining. But I think you and I …