#236 – Not Giving Up with Matt Wensing of Summit

What's up, everybody? This is Cortland from ndhackers.com, and you're listening to the Indie Hackers podcast. More people than ever are building cool stuff online and making a lot of money in the process. And on this show, I sit down with these Indie Hackers to discuss the ideas, the opportunities, and the strategies they're taking advantage of so the rest of us can do the same. I'm here with Matt Wensink, serial entrepreneur and currently the founder of Summit. Matt, welcome to the show. Hey. Thanks, Cortland. Yeah. Thanks for coming on. I was reading through, some of your tweets recently, and I saw this pattern of you sort of, holding, let's say, successful entrepreneurs to a standard of intellectual honesty as I think the way that you put it. And so there's this tweet you had about Justin suite that Justin Khan had where he was like, I'm gonna tell you why storytelling is all about, you know, the only thing you need to start a successful startup. And you're like, bro, your story is you went to Yale, you went to YC, you exited a company for, like, $1,000,000,000. Of course, investors gave you a lot of money. Like, that's not a story anybody could tell. I mean, full credit for the first stepping stones of that journey. Like, everybody comes in theory from very little. But, like, by the time you have the billion, maybe the maybe maybe the 400,000,000 you raised after that, maybe you should discount that a little bit, you know, just to throw a little bone to a few people here. It's an interesting phenomenon because even having a podcast and talking to lots of people, I think. Like, when you're sitting in a chair and there's an audience listening, you're trying to give advice, Like, you don't wanna say, you know what? You can't do what I did. There's no way you can do what I did. I had a special advantage, and that's what it boils down to. Like, you wanna be able to, like, share tips and and things that people can actually follow, but that might lead you to say things that, like, sort of ignore your unique advantages. Yeah. We're all guilty of this. I mean, I I am as well, second time entrepreneur. I came into the second business with advantages. I just want us to somehow acknowledge those, and I realize you can't preface every tweet or statement with this whole preamble that gets very like, it's irritating fast. You know? But, yeah, you know, if if you're gonna if I mean, honestly, though, it's like the bigger your platform, the the higher your pulpit, like, the higher the standard, I feel like. It's, at least come back to that now and then. You know? Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. And I think it's it's like a it's a tricky catch 22 because it's hard enough to, like, write a tweet or a …