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#373 Breakfast with Brad Jacobs + How To Make A Few Billion Dollars

93 min episode · 2 min read
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93 min

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2 min

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Productivity, Investing, Fundraising & VC

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Key Takeaways

  • Recruiting Philosophy: Hire only A-players and overpay them significantly because the dynamic range between average and exceptional performers reaches 50-100x in knowledge work, not 2x like most fields. Screen for high IQ first, eliminating 90% of candidates, then assess dialectical thinking ability and willingness to change opinions.
  • Industry Research Process: Before entering any sector, read all trade publications, attend conferences, interview CEOs and investment bankers, study SEC filings, talk to venture capitalists and journalists, and spend months collecting data from multiple perspectives. This obsessive information gathering identifies major trends that determine success or failure regardless of execution quality.
  • Technology Investment Strategy: Every industry benefits from heavy technology investment because savings compound over time and create competitive advantages. United Rentals bought Win Systems software to gain aggregated industry data, enabling proactive pricing adjustments while competitors remained reactive. Carnegie applied this principle building steel companies in the 1880s with identical results.
  • Problem Reframing Technique: Business consists entirely of problems that represent opportunities to create value. When facing setbacks, ask two questions: what's the worst outcome and how would I handle it, and how would I advise a friend facing this situation. This mental distance enables objective decision-making during crisis moments like the 2018 short attack.
  • Organizational Feedback Loops: Send company-wide emails asking two questions: what's your single best idea to improve our company, and what's the stupidest thing we're doing. Frontline employees possess critical insights that executives filter out. Empty seats cause less damage than poor hires, so maintain slightly understaffed teams that stay focused without redundant work.

What It Covers

Brad Jacobs shares lessons from building seven billion-dollar companies over 44 years, covering his breakfast conversation insights on recruiting talent, identifying major trends, managing mindset, executing 500 acquisitions, and specific strategies that generated $4 billion from unconventional stock buybacks.

Key Questions Answered

  • Recruiting Philosophy: Hire only A-players and overpay them significantly because the dynamic range between average and exceptional performers reaches 50-100x in knowledge work, not 2x like most fields. Screen for high IQ first, eliminating 90% of candidates, then assess dialectical thinking ability and willingness to change opinions.
  • Industry Research Process: Before entering any sector, read all trade publications, attend conferences, interview CEOs and investment bankers, study SEC filings, talk to venture capitalists and journalists, and spend months collecting data from multiple perspectives. This obsessive information gathering identifies major trends that determine success or failure regardless of execution quality.
  • Technology Investment Strategy: Every industry benefits from heavy technology investment because savings compound over time and create competitive advantages. United Rentals bought Win Systems software to gain aggregated industry data, enabling proactive pricing adjustments while competitors remained reactive. Carnegie applied this principle building steel companies in the 1880s with identical results.
  • Problem Reframing Technique: Business consists entirely of problems that represent opportunities to create value. When facing setbacks, ask two questions: what's the worst outcome and how would I handle it, and how would I advise a friend facing this situation. This mental distance enables objective decision-making during crisis moments like the 2018 short attack.
  • Organizational Feedback Loops: Send company-wide emails asking two questions: what's your single best idea to improve our company, and what's the stupidest thing we're doing. Frontline employees possess critical insights that executives filter out. Empty seats cause less damage than poor hires, so maintain slightly understaffed teams that stay focused without redundant work.

Notable Moment

When XPO stock dropped 26% in one day from a short seller report, Jacobs bought back $2 billion in shares despite bankers warning no company had ever repurchased such a high percentage of market cap. Those shares later reached $6 billion value, generating $4 billion profit from thinking from first principles instead of following conventional wisdom.

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Episode Transcript

One of the most important things I learned from Brad's book, and we spoke about this when I had breakfast with Brad as well, was the importance of working with the smartest and most talented people that you can. Brad says that the most important thing that a CEO does is recruit superlative people. And Brad will recruit the smartest people he can find. And he actually talks about this. Brad says there's no substitute for smarts. And that reminded me of something that Steve Jobs said in this interview I read that Steve gave in the late nineteen nineties. And this is what Steve said. I think that I've consistently figured out who the really smart people were to hang around with. You must find extraordinary people. The key observation is that in most things in life, the dynamic range between the average quality and the best quality is at most two to one. But in the field that I was interested in, I noticed that the dynamic range between what an average person could accomplish and what the best person could accomplish was 50 or a 100 to one. Given that you are well advised to go after the cream of the cream, You need to build a team that pursues the a plus players. And this is exactly what ramp did. Ramp has the most talented technical team in their industry. Becoming an engineer at ramp is nearly impossible. In the last twelve months, they hired only point 23% of the people that applied. That means when you use Ramp, you now have top tier technical talent and some of the best AI engineers working on your behalf twenty four seven to automate and improve all of your business's financial operations. And all of this happens on a single platform. The longer you use Ramp, the more efficient your company becomes. And this is important because as Sam Walton said in his autobiography, you can make a lot of different mistakes and still recover if you run an efficient operation, or you can be brilliant and go out of business if you're too inefficient. Ramp helps you run an efficient organization. In the end of that interview, Steve Jobs added. He said a small team of a plus players can run circles around a giant team of b and c players. From a customer's perspective, what does a team of a plus players sound like? It sounds like this customer review that I read, which said, Ramp is like having a teammate who you never need to check-in on because they have it handled. Ramp gives you everything you need to optimize all of your financial operations, all on a single platform. Ramp's website is incredible. Make history's greatest entrepreneurs proud by going to ramp.com to learn how they can help your business today. That is ramp.com. So I want to tell you what I learned when I had the opportunity to have a two hour breakfast …

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  • SPONSORS: Ramp (ramp.com)
  • United Rentals bought Win Systems software to gain aggregated industry data, enabling proactive pricing adjustments while competitors remained reactive.

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  • When XPO stock dropped 26% in one day from a short seller report, Jacobs bought back $2 billion in shares despite bankers warning no company had ever repurchased such a high percentage of market cap.
  • United Rentals bought Win Systems software to gain aggregated industry data, enabling proactive pricing adjustments while competitors remained reactive.

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