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‘Thugs’: The Moderate Democrat Railing Against ICE

32 min episode · 2 min read
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Catherine Cortez Masto

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32 min

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Key Takeaways

  • ICE funding surge: Congress allocated $75 billion to ICE through the "one big beautiful bill," compared to its normal annual budget of $8–10 billion, with no spending restrictions attached. Stephen Miller's quota of 3,000 daily deportations and detainments drove rapid hiring with lowered standards and eliminated de-escalation and use-of-force training protocols.
  • Enforcement misconduct pattern: Before the Minneapolis incident, ICE agents in Las Vegas were conducting roving patrols without judicial warrants, following churchgoers home, and targeting families of local law enforcement officers based solely on immigration status — not criminal history. Cortez Masto frames this as a breakdown of community-policing fundamentals, not legitimate enforcement.
  • Reform demands as law enforcement baseline: The Democratic shutdown demands — visible agent IDs, no masks, and judicial warrants before entry — mirror standard protocols already followed by local and state law enforcement nationwide. Cortez Masto argues these are not new restrictions but a restoration of existing professional conduct norms to federal immigration agents.
  • Swing-state messaging strategy: Cortez Masto's "mod squad" of moderate Senate Democrats circulated internal polling from swing states showing voters want ICE focused on violent criminals and constitutional conduct — not eliminated. The political framing targets equal-thirds Democratic, Republican, and nonpartisan voters in states like Nevada that determine Senate control.
  • Shutdown as electoral leverage: Even without achieving policy reforms, Cortez Masto views the shutdown as a vehicle to win the messaging war on immigration enforcement, positioning Democrats as pro-rule-of-law rather than anti-border-security. The longer-term goal is congressional majority, which would restore oversight, appropriations control, and accountability over the administration.

What It Covers

Nevada Senator Catherine Cortez Masto, a former state attorney general and self-described moderate, explains why she supports withholding Department of Homeland Security funding during a partial government shutdown, citing ICE's lowered hiring standards, elimination of use-of-force training, and unconstitutional enforcement tactics in Nevada communities.

Key Questions Answered

  • ICE funding surge: Congress allocated $75 billion to ICE through the "one big beautiful bill," compared to its normal annual budget of $8–10 billion, with no spending restrictions attached. Stephen Miller's quota of 3,000 daily deportations and detainments drove rapid hiring with lowered standards and eliminated de-escalation and use-of-force training protocols.
  • Enforcement misconduct pattern: Before the Minneapolis incident, ICE agents in Las Vegas were conducting roving patrols without judicial warrants, following churchgoers home, and targeting families of local law enforcement officers based solely on immigration status — not criminal history. Cortez Masto frames this as a breakdown of community-policing fundamentals, not legitimate enforcement.
  • Reform demands as law enforcement baseline: The Democratic shutdown demands — visible agent IDs, no masks, and judicial warrants before entry — mirror standard protocols already followed by local and state law enforcement nationwide. Cortez Masto argues these are not new restrictions but a restoration of existing professional conduct norms to federal immigration agents.
  • Swing-state messaging strategy: Cortez Masto's "mod squad" of moderate Senate Democrats circulated internal polling from swing states showing voters want ICE focused on violent criminals and constitutional conduct — not eliminated. The political framing targets equal-thirds Democratic, Republican, and nonpartisan voters in states like Nevada that determine Senate control.
  • Shutdown as electoral leverage: Even without achieving policy reforms, Cortez Masto views the shutdown as a vehicle to win the messaging war on immigration enforcement, positioning Democrats as pro-rule-of-law rather than anti-border-security. The longer-term goal is congressional majority, which would restore oversight, appropriations control, and accountability over the administration.

Notable Moment

Cortez Masto revealed that ICE agents in Nevada targeted the family members of active local police officers based on immigration status, then used those family members as leverage to threaten the officers' careers — a detail she cited as the clearest evidence that enforcement had moved beyond public safety into political coercion.

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Episode Transcript

From New York Times, I'm Michael Barbaro. This is The Daily. Today marks the sixth day of an unusual government shutdown in which Democrats have withheld funding to a single federal agency, the Department of Homeland Security, in order to force President Trump to change how thousands of its agents enforce immigration laws. Today, my conversation with an unlikely leader of the democratic strategy, senator Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada. It's Thursday, February 19. Senator. Hello. How are you? Good morning. It's Michael Barbaro. Michael. How I recognize the voice. How are you? Oh, That's flattering. Thank you for making time for us. Well, thank you. I appreciate, the opportunity to talk with you. And and by the way, thank you for the great reporting you do. Seriously. It's Appreciate that. Yeah. You are, as we speak, in Nevada Correct. Not in Washington, DC because congress is on a somewhat ill timed recess. That's right. And I said ill timed because we're in the middle of a partial government shutdown. And I wanna talk about your role in that. We tend, senator, to think of the lawmakers who become the face of a government shutdown or one of the faces of it as a particular kind of lawmaker, a firebrand, a rabble rouser, pick your adjective. You were pretty distinctly not that. Does that seem fair? I would agree that I'm a moderate. That's to me, those are the moderates are are people who are working to get things done. Mhmm. Right? Who work in a bipartisan way, who think that good government is important, that we still have to work together to do our jobs. We still have to deliver for the American public, whether it's in our state where we live or across the country. And I think most people, at least when I'm in my state, they expect that. They expect you to not only work on their behalf, but work in a bipartisan way. But they also know that there are times that I think it's okay to be out there and pick that fight and say, no. This is a battle I'm gonna be very vocal about. This is one I'm gonna stand up and say, this can occur. And you see that. Now I've done that, and you will see that for many moderates across the country doing the same thing. Well, the last time there was a government shutdown, you opposed it. I think you voted against it something like 15 times. And so I don't tend to think of you as a shutdown person. I see what you're saying. Yeah. So let me just say this. For me, there's nothing wrong with calling out an administration. I don't care what party you are. That's hurting our community. That is challenging our very norms, particularly around, in this case, law and order. They need to be challenged, and they need to be called out. Well, that's what we wanna talk about, how you …

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