Skip to main content
The Daily (NYT)

'The Interview': Maggie Gyllenhaal Thinks Hollywood Likes Women to Direct ‘Little Movies’

44 min episode · 2 min read
·
Maggie Gyllenhaal

Episode

44 min

Read time

2 min

Topics

Relationships, Software Development, Product & Tech Trends

AI-Generated Summary

Key Takeaways

  • Female directors and budget ceilings: Only 8% of films released recently were directed by women, a seven-year low. Gyllenhaal identifies a pattern where studios tolerate women making low-budget films but grow resistant when women control larger budgets and resources, suggesting the resistance scales directly with financial stakes involved.
  • Studio collaboration as creative tool: Gyllenhaal worked directly with Warner Brothers president Pam Abdi through multiple test screenings in mall theaters — a process new to her. Rather than viewing studio notes as dilution, she found that pressure to remove certain scenes ultimately served the film's goal of reaching the widest possible audience without sacrificing core themes.
  • Rage as a layered creative framework: Gyllenhaal draws on her late acting teacher Penny Allen's concept that rage functions as an umbrella emotion concealing deeper vulnerability. She applies this framework across her body of work — Secretary, The Deuce, The Bride — using surface-level transgression to excavate what lies underneath: need, desire, and the demand to be heard.
  • Directing family members requires deliberate preparation: Gyllenhaal waited until she was certain before asking her brother Jake Gyllenhaal to appear in The Bride, giving him insufficient rehearsal time as a result. She frames the invitation as a conscious act of vulnerability — a deliberate move toward closeness after years of maintaining professional separation to establish independent creative identity.
  • Creative identity and political turning points: Gyllenhaal identifies the morning after the 2016 U.S. presidential election as the specific moment she committed to becoming a director, concluding she had more to say than acting alone allowed. She connects this to a broader pattern of women directors emerging with concentrated force precisely because systemic suppression creates pressure that eventually demands release.

What It Covers

Maggie Gyllenhaal discusses directing her studio film The Bride — a Bride of Frankenstein retelling starring Jessie Buckley — covering the creative tensions of working within the Warner Brothers system, her recurring themes of female rage, and the realities facing women directors in Hollywood today.

Key Questions Answered

  • Female directors and budget ceilings: Only 8% of films released recently were directed by women, a seven-year low. Gyllenhaal identifies a pattern where studios tolerate women making low-budget films but grow resistant when women control larger budgets and resources, suggesting the resistance scales directly with financial stakes involved.
  • Studio collaboration as creative tool: Gyllenhaal worked directly with Warner Brothers president Pam Abdi through multiple test screenings in mall theaters — a process new to her. Rather than viewing studio notes as dilution, she found that pressure to remove certain scenes ultimately served the film's goal of reaching the widest possible audience without sacrificing core themes.
  • Rage as a layered creative framework: Gyllenhaal draws on her late acting teacher Penny Allen's concept that rage functions as an umbrella emotion concealing deeper vulnerability. She applies this framework across her body of work — Secretary, The Deuce, The Bride — using surface-level transgression to excavate what lies underneath: need, desire, and the demand to be heard.
  • Directing family members requires deliberate preparation: Gyllenhaal waited until she was certain before asking her brother Jake Gyllenhaal to appear in The Bride, giving him insufficient rehearsal time as a result. She frames the invitation as a conscious act of vulnerability — a deliberate move toward closeness after years of maintaining professional separation to establish independent creative identity.
  • Creative identity and political turning points: Gyllenhaal identifies the morning after the 2016 U.S. presidential election as the specific moment she committed to becoming a director, concluding she had more to say than acting alone allowed. She connects this to a broader pattern of women directors emerging with concentrated force precisely because systemic suppression creates pressure that eventually demands release.

Notable Moment

At a Venice restaurant during her husband's film festival appearance, Gyllenhaal stepped away mid-dinner, looked at herself in a bathroom mirror, and nearly abandoned directing The Bride entirely — feeling genuine relief at the thought of handing the project to someone else before returning to the table.

Know someone who'd find this useful?

Episode Transcript

From The New York Times, this is The Interview. I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro. Maggie Gyllenhaal has always had this kind of fascination with the darker side of sex and love. Her breakout role as a young actor came with her award winning performance in the 2002 film Secretary, where she's a troubled woman who embarks on a sadomasochistic relationship with her boss. Boss. In Crazy Heart, she played a young mother who falls in love with an older alcoholic country singer. That role earned her an Oscar nomination. And in the series The Deuce, she starred as a sex worker who becomes a director of pornographic films. That last role made her want to be a director in real life too. And so in 2021, she won acclaim with her feature directorial debut, The Lost Daughter, about the taboo feelings some women feel over motherhood. For me, the through line in all her work is a desire to tell the stories of women who live outside conventional boundaries. Enter her newest film, The Bride, an imaginative retelling of the story of the bride of Frankenstein, starring Jessie Buckley, which Gyllenhaal both wrote and directed. The film is part love story, part crime caper with some surreal musical numbers thrown in. But Gyllenhaal's signature themes of sexual violence, female power, and transgression undergird it all. Here's my conversation with Maggie Gyllenhaal. Thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate you coming to the interview. It it really is my pleasure. You know, it's interesting to me because I interviewed you in 2019 for The Deuce. And in that interview, you said to me, playing that role where she your character becomes a director of pornography, but a director nonetheless. It's like a real journey. You said that that had made you realize that you would also be a director. And I was wondering, now sitting here with this big budget movie, you know, where you're at in that kind of evolution. I mean, I feel like I'm deeply, like, in process. That's how I feel. You know? I feel like like I knew I was going on a major journey starting the bride, and I was scared. I was actually terrified. And, to be honest, I remember I mean, I don't know. It's it's interesting that I'm sharing this. But, like, I remember being at Venice with Peter -Peter Sarsgaard, your husband. -My husband who had a movie there, and feeling so scared about the prospect of directing The Bride. And we went to a lovely restaurant that we booked. We were so excited for it. We knew it. And I remember feeling so anxious and getting up and going to the bathroom, looking at myself in the mirror and thinking, oh, I don't have to direct this. I can let someone else direct it. I've written it. I've cast it. I've conceived of it. Oh, I don't have to do this. And I came back to the table …

Get the full transcript (6,714 words) + summary by email — free

One-time email with the complete transcript and AI summary of this episode. No account needed.

One email, no spam. We’ll also show you what SignalCast does.

Browse all The Daily (NYT) transcripts →

You just read a 3-minute summary of a 41-minute episode.

Get The Daily (NYT) summarized like this every Monday — plus up to 2 more podcasts, free.

Pick Your Podcasts — Free

Keep Reading

Books, tools, and gear mentioned in this episode

SignalCast may earn commission on purchases via these links. As an Amazon Associate, SignalCast earns from qualifying purchases.

Products

  • She applies this framework across her body of work — Secretary, The Deuce, The Bride — using surface-level transgression to excavate what lies underneath
  • Maggie Gyllenhaal discusses directing her studio film The Bride — a Bride of Frankenstein retelling starring Jessie Buckley
  • She applies this framework across her body of work — Secretary, The Deuce, The Bride — using surface-level transgression to excavate what lies underneath

More from The Daily (NYT)

We summarize every new episode. Want them in your inbox?

Similar Episodes

Related episodes from other podcasts

Explore Related Topics

This podcast is featured in Best News Podcasts (2026) — ranked and reviewed with AI summaries.

Read this week's Software Engineering Podcast Insights — cross-podcast analysis updated weekly.

You're clearly into The Daily (NYT).

Every Monday, we deliver AI summaries of the latest episodes from The Daily (NYT) and 192+ other podcasts. Free for one show.

Start My Monday Digest

No credit card · Unsubscribe anytime