Can Trump Force Blue Cities to Cooperate With ICE?

From The New York Times, I'm Michael Barbaro. This is The Daily. Good morning. I'm Tom Homa. The board is our president Trump. I'm here on behalf of the president along with US commissioners. A few days ago, the president's border czar traveled to Minneapolis with a simple message. I didn't ask him to be immigration officers. I'm asking them to be cops, working with the cops that help the state criminal aliens off the street. The faster local officials there cooperate with federal immigration agents, the faster those agents will leave. This is common sense cooperation that allows to draw down on the number of people we have here. Yes. I said it. Draw down the number of people here. Today, the history of why that kind of cooperation is so difficult to pull off and potentially even illegal. I turned to two of my colleagues, Hamed Ali Aziz and Ernesto Landano, to explain. It's Monday, February 2. Hamed, I wonder what you were thinking as a long time immigration reporter when you heard Tom Homan deliver the message that he did to officials in Minneapolis, essentially offering that drawdown of federal agents if local officials cooperated and gave access? I was thinking Tom Homan was uniquely fit to carry this message for the Trump administration. You know, he is somebody who has seen the entire evolution of cooperation between local law enforcement in liberal cities with ICE, with the federal government. He's really someone who was there at a time when this was just normal practice at ICE fifteen years ago to work closely with local law enforcement. Mhmm. And he's been there as it's faded away, as it's become a political issue, and more and more local governments find it unacceptable to work alongside ICE. And so this is really a battle that Tom Homan has waged for a decade now, not only from his position as, leading ICE during that first Trump administration, but continuously as well on Fox News and testimony to Congress. This is really a core issue for Tom Homan. Well, what is that history that Homan seems to embody of this evolution from cooperation to official noncooperation, and and where does it start? So fifteen years ago, during the Obama administration, Tom Homan was leading deportation efforts. He was the person overseeing all deportation officers. And I think it's important just to know that when someone gets arrested in a local jail, your fingerprints ping to a federal database, and that federal database goes to ICE. So ICE is always aware when someone is arrested. They have records on individuals, and they find out if someone that they're looking for is in a county jail. And and it doesn't matter if it's in a San Francisco or in Alabama. And so one of the key strategies for the Obama administration was to utilize jails and prisons to pick up people. And at that time, when it was less political issue, ICE had …