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Emily Post: Ettiquette Queen

41 min episode · 2 min read
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Emily Post

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41 min

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2 min

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Personal Finance, Startups, Software Development

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Key Takeaways

  • ✓Etiquette as ethics, not wealth: Post's core argument was that good society requires a grounding in ethics, courteous behavior, and consideration for others — not money or aristocratic lineage. This directly challenged existing etiquette books, which functioned as gatekeeping manuals for the wealthy to embarrass social climbers rather than guides for genuine human conduct.
  • ✓Narrative-driven instruction: Post used fictional characters with descriptive names — the Worldlies, Kindhearts, Toplofties, Rich and Vulgars — to create story-based scenarios illustrating etiquette principles. Each chapter opened with a narrative situation, then broke down its components. This fiction-writing technique made a 619-page reference book readable and commercially successful across 10 editions and 90 printings.
  • ✓Start small before scaling socially: The cautionary tale of Mrs. Newwood's disastrous dinner party illustrates a concrete principle: host small, low-stakes gatherings with familiar guests before attempting large, high-profile events. Attempting an extravagant dinner party without sufficient practice produces compounding failures — from improper plate service to visible discomfort among guests — that cannot be recovered mid-event.
  • ✓Grief communication framework: The Emily Post Institute's current guidance on supporting grieving people offers a practical structure: avoid the word "I," skip open-ended offers like "let me know if you need anything," and instead name a specific action — cooking meals, buying groceries — then follow up directly to schedule it, removing the burden of asking from the grieving person.
  • ✓Generational etiquette adaptation: Post updated her etiquette book continuously across decades, dropping outdated conventions like mandatory chaperones on dates and adding guidance relevant to each era. The Emily Post Institute now covers smartphone etiquette in social settings. The underlying method: identify which conventions reflect genuine courtesy versus arbitrary class signaling, and revise accordingly as social norms shift.

What It Covers

Josh and Chuck profile Emily Post, the architect's daughter who published a 619-page etiquette guide in 1922 that reached the top of Publishers Weekly's nonfiction bestseller list within eight months, redefining etiquette as an ethics-based practice accessible to all Americans regardless of wealth or lineage.

Key Questions Answered

  • •Etiquette as ethics, not wealth: Post's core argument was that good society requires a grounding in ethics, courteous behavior, and consideration for others — not money or aristocratic lineage. This directly challenged existing etiquette books, which functioned as gatekeeping manuals for the wealthy to embarrass social climbers rather than guides for genuine human conduct.
  • •Narrative-driven instruction: Post used fictional characters with descriptive names — the Worldlies, Kindhearts, Toplofties, Rich and Vulgars — to create story-based scenarios illustrating etiquette principles. Each chapter opened with a narrative situation, then broke down its components. This fiction-writing technique made a 619-page reference book readable and commercially successful across 10 editions and 90 printings.
  • •Start small before scaling socially: The cautionary tale of Mrs. Newwood's disastrous dinner party illustrates a concrete principle: host small, low-stakes gatherings with familiar guests before attempting large, high-profile events. Attempting an extravagant dinner party without sufficient practice produces compounding failures — from improper plate service to visible discomfort among guests — that cannot be recovered mid-event.
  • •Grief communication framework: The Emily Post Institute's current guidance on supporting grieving people offers a practical structure: avoid the word "I," skip open-ended offers like "let me know if you need anything," and instead name a specific action — cooking meals, buying groceries — then follow up directly to schedule it, removing the burden of asking from the grieving person.
  • •Generational etiquette adaptation: Post updated her etiquette book continuously across decades, dropping outdated conventions like mandatory chaperones on dates and adding guidance relevant to each era. The Emily Post Institute now covers smartphone etiquette in social settings. The underlying method: identify which conventions reflect genuine courtesy versus arbitrary class signaling, and revise accordingly as social norms shift.

Notable Moment

Post secretly published a bawdy, satirical parody about a debutante's romantic life under the pen name Muriel. The book became a hit before she revealed herself as the author — surprising readers who knew her only as America's foremost authority on proper social conduct.

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Episode Transcript

00:00:01 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 00:00:11 Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck, and Jerry's here, too, keeping us proper. And this is Stuff You Should Know, the Sit Up Straight edition. 00:00:21 Speaker 1: I got to say, after researching this, I am a big fan of Emily Post. 00:00:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a surprisingly cool person, especially... for somebody who literally wrote a book on etiquette. Yeah. 00:00:35 Speaker 1: I didn't know much about any of this. And now I'm like, I want to know about her number one fan. I'm sure there's one person on planet earth that likes her more than me. Sure. 00:00:43 Speaker 2: Maybe number two, we'll say three. All right. But yeah, still a big fan. Are you going to buy the book, the blue book? 00:00:51 Speaker 1: Uh, I mean, I probably should. I'm sure it goes to something like her foundation or I want to support her financially still years after her passing. 00:01:00 Speaker 2: That'll do it. Um, I know that I read some think pieces on people who went and read that book and were like lessons I learned from reading this book. And it's pretty much roundly described as lovely, charming. 00:01:14 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:01:15 Speaker 2: And also useful still, because one of the things that set her apart is because of the way she approached etiquette and rules of etiquette and how to, you know, learn social graces. The, the, It was like a progressive way of doing it. So she was able to basically say, this is what's really important. So a lot of the stuff that she talks about is completely applicable today. 00:01:40 Speaker 1: Some might say more so. 00:01:42 Speaker 2: Yeah. More needed for sure. Yeah. 00:01:45 Speaker 1: So, I mean, they had etiquette guides for sure. It's not like she, even though, you know, you might commonly hear people say she literally wrote the book on etiquette. She did. But she wrote one of the many books on etiquette. Hers was a little bit different than the others in a lot of ways that we're going to talk about kind of here and there. But one of the big ways is she was all about ethics. And as we'll see, you know, we're going to detail her life. She was born into money, but she was basically like, hey, listen, just because you have money doesn't mean that you are respectable. You have to have a grounding in ethics. No matter who you are and if you don't have money and if you're, you know, not born into like a great family or something, then that doesn't mean you can't be a part of what she called good society. You just have to know like you have to be grounded in ethics and how to know like how …

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