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Joanna Macy, In Memoriam — Beauty and Wisdom and Courage (and Rilke) to Sustain Us

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Joanna Macy,Anita Barrows,Krista Tippett

Episode

50 min

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2 min

Topics

Productivity, Relationships, Psychology & Behavior

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Key Takeaways

  • Living Questions: Rilke advises holding unresolved questions like closed rooms rather than seeking immediate answers. Practice sitting with uncertainty in the present moment, nurturing questions over time until you gradually live your way into answers that emerge organically through patient attention.
  • Gender and Relationship: Rilke envisions love as two solitudes that protect, border, and greet each other rather than merging. He calls for relationships built from individual wholeness, where partners become distinctively themselves first, creating human-to-human connection beyond conventional masculine-feminine roles and sexual dynamics.
  • Solitude in Nature: True solitude means immersion in the living natural world, not isolation. The pandemic lockdowns created habits of outdoor time that people resist giving up. Solitude becomes communion with the rustle, touch, and murmur of nature, expanding rather than contracting one's sense of connection.
  • Witnessing Transformation: Macy frames our ecological moment as requiring gratitude practice for what may disappear. She advocates saying goodbye to mountains and rivers through thanksgiving, recognizing beauty before it vanishes, and understanding that being present to this unprecedented planetary shift is why we are alive now.

What It Covers

Krista Tippett speaks with Buddhist teacher Joanna Macy and psychologist Anita Barrows about their translation of Rilke's Letters to a Young Poet, exploring solitude, love, uncertainty, and ecological crisis through his century-old wisdom.

Key Questions Answered

  • Living Questions: Rilke advises holding unresolved questions like closed rooms rather than seeking immediate answers. Practice sitting with uncertainty in the present moment, nurturing questions over time until you gradually live your way into answers that emerge organically through patient attention.
  • Gender and Relationship: Rilke envisions love as two solitudes that protect, border, and greet each other rather than merging. He calls for relationships built from individual wholeness, where partners become distinctively themselves first, creating human-to-human connection beyond conventional masculine-feminine roles and sexual dynamics.
  • Solitude in Nature: True solitude means immersion in the living natural world, not isolation. The pandemic lockdowns created habits of outdoor time that people resist giving up. Solitude becomes communion with the rustle, touch, and murmur of nature, expanding rather than contracting one's sense of connection.
  • Witnessing Transformation: Macy frames our ecological moment as requiring gratitude practice for what may disappear. She advocates saying goodbye to mountains and rivers through thanksgiving, recognizing beauty before it vanishes, and understanding that being present to this unprecedented planetary shift is why we are alive now.

Notable Moment

Macy reveals that at age 92, watching mass extinctions and climate catastrophe, she cries from gladness rather than despair. She insists we must recognize each other's beauty and not die without knowing how beautiful this world is, even as it unravels.

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Episode Transcript

Quiet friend who has come so far, feel how your breathing makes more space around you. Let this darkness be a bell tower, and you, the bell. And as you ring, what batters you becomes your strength. Move back and forth into the change. What's it like this intensity of pain? If the drink is bitter, turn yourself to wine. In this uncontainable night, Be the mystery at the crossroads of your senses. The meaning discovered there. And if the world shall cease to hear you, say to the silent earth, I flow, and to the rushing water speak, I am. For many years, when I have found myself feeling unmoored by life and this world, I have listened to this poem by Rainer Maria Rilke. It's read by Joanna Macy, who also translated it and brought it to life afresh for our century. Joanna has now left this world, but this beloved Buddhist teacher and ecological philosopher and activist has left an immense legacy of beauty and wisdom and courage to sustain us. What follows is the second conversation I had with her together with her friend, the psychologist, and fellow Rilke translator, Anita Barrows, which we recorded amidst pandemic and lockdown in 2021. Rilke sought the shape of meaning in a now vanished Central Europe at the turn of the twentieth century. He was prescient that the world as he'd known it was passing away. Joanna Macy's adventurous life and vision took shape in crucibles of the history that later unfolded from an early career with the CIA in post war, cold war Germany to India with her husband who was leading the nascent peace corps there as the very young Dalai Lama arrived into exile. Now relistening to her perspective on the world and how she channels Rilke, we experience a way of standing before the great unfolding dramas of our time, ecological, political, intimate. We are at a newly existential pivotal moment in history, and Joanna Macy long foresaw this. We are standing before the possibilities of what she called a great unraveling or a great turning towards life generating human society. All of this and so much more comes through in the riches of our 2021 conversation. Joanna, who was born in 1929, was 92 as we spoke. In his, letter that he wrote, he wrote an amazing letter, Rilke did, from Sweden. And he starts out saying, I've been thinking. He's not responding so much to the cadet, but he's speaking about there's something gonna happen. It is enormous. It is huge. We must accept our reality and all its immensity. Everything, even the unheard of, must be possible within it. This is, in the end, the only courage required of us. The courage to meet what is strangest and most awesome. I'm Krista Tippett, and this is On Being. The conversation that follows is infused with friendship as much as ideas. Joanna and Anita have translated Rilke together across decades alongside many other …

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