HIGHLIGHTS: Susan Cain

Hi, everybody. Tune in to this short version of the podcast, which we do every Friday. For the long version, tune in on Wednesdays. Hi, everyone. I'm Nicola Tangen, the CEO of the Norwegian Wealth Fund. And today, I'm in really good company with Susan Cain. Now Susan is the author who gave the world of introverts a voice because her book Quiet spent eight years on the bestseller list, and her TED Talk has been watched by millions and millions of people. She changed how millions of us think about personality, leadership, and creativity. And, Susan, warm welcome. Thank you so much, Nikolai. It is such a pleasure to be here with you. Susan, I'd love to start with AI because the world is changing. Is it changing the relationship between introverts and extroverts? I don't know that it's changing the relationship. I mean, maybe you mean between introverts and extroverts or, but it's very interesting with these technologies in general. I often feel that they're they often at the beginning, offer more promise for introverts to have multiple ways of communicating beyond the conventional ones of being always in person, always on, always activated. And then somehow they they end up often becoming, additional platforms for self presentation because that's so prevalent in our culture. So I I actually with AI, I'm adopting a bit of a wait and see attitude. Yeah. There is a new expression, which I hear, which is the kind of the high agency people, the people who kinda really leverage their technology to make them even louder. And I'm just wondering whether that's one of those things, you know, which amplifies the extroverts even more. What do you think? Well, not necessarily. I mean, from the dawn of the, Internet, there's actually been this kind of concept of the people call it sometimes the online extrovert, the in person, I'm sorry. Yeah. Online extrovert, in person introvert. And introverts are just as high agency as extroverts in terms of having goals that they're excited about, projects that they want to accomplish, and being, having high agency in the service of those goals that they care about. And in fact, I would say, what is singular about introverts or what distinguishes them is that, they tend to focus on one or two or three goals in their lives. They tend to focus on people in their lives that they really care about. If they're committed to a given company or to leading a company, they're like really, really, really committed. And so, so they're high agency in that sense. And in that sense, being able to mobilize AI towards those highly directed goals can be incredibly amplified and powerful. Susan, what are the implications for leadership? How should, introverts and extroverts be led differently if so if they should? Oh, how should they be led differently? And we should talk also about the difference between introverted and extroverted leaders. But yeah, in terms of …