Seventh Generation: Alan Newman and Jeffrey Hollender. A Partnership that Flourished—until it Failed. (2021)
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91 min
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3 min
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Relationships, Investing, Startups
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Co-founder agreements in writing: When Newman took a six-month sabbatical in 1992, no written document defined his return terms, role, or expectations. Both partners left the conversation with entirely different assumptions about the outcome. The absence of a formal written agreement — specifying duration, responsibilities, and re-entry conditions — created the gap that allowed Hollender to terminate the partnership without warning. Any co-founder departure, even temporary, requires a signed document outlining exact terms.
- ✓Sell the benefit, not the feature: Newman's early catalog success came from reframing eco-friendly products around economic savings rather than environmental values. Low-flow showerheads were marketed as money-savers first, planet-savers second. This sequencing — answer "what's in it for me" before introducing mission — drove catalog sales from $1M in 1989 to $7M in 1990. Founders selling mission-driven products should lead with tangible consumer benefit and layer in values afterward.
- ✓Catalog-to-retail pivot strategy: Hollender shut down the mail-order catalog in 1995 — which represented 80% of revenue — to concentrate entirely on retail distribution. The decision was driven by rising postage and paper costs, low conversion rates (1 buyer per 100 catalogs mailed), and the higher lifetime value of repeat retail purchases. Seventh Generation entered Whole Foods in 1998, which triggered growth from roughly $10M to nearly $50M within five years.
- ✓Failure reward culture: Newman instituted a weekly prize for the employee who admitted the biggest mistake, typically a dinner voucher. The practice was designed to eliminate fear-based concealment, which he identified as the primary obstacle to fast-growing company performance. When mistakes are hidden, the same errors repeat across teams. Rewarding public admission of failure accelerates organizational learning and is now standard practice at companies like Google, but Newman implemented it in the early 1990s.
- ✓Demand-supply sequencing in new markets: When Newman launched Magic Hat Brewing in 1993, he deliberately allowed demand to exceed supply for 18 months before scaling production. This created sustained consumer pull rather than push-based distribution. The brewery reached the top 10 largest craft breweries in the US using this method. Founders entering crowded markets can manufacture scarcity early to build brand desirability before committing to capital-intensive production expansion.
What It Covers
Alan Newman and Jeffrey Hollender co-founded Seventh Generation in 1988 as a mail-order eco-friendly catalog, scaled it to $150M+ in revenue, and sold it to Unilever in 2016 for $600-700M. Their partnership collapsed in 1992 when Hollender ousted Newman during a business crisis, mirroring patterns that later led to Hollender's own ouster by the board in 2010.
Key Questions Answered
- •Co-founder agreements in writing: When Newman took a six-month sabbatical in 1992, no written document defined his return terms, role, or expectations. Both partners left the conversation with entirely different assumptions about the outcome. The absence of a formal written agreement — specifying duration, responsibilities, and re-entry conditions — created the gap that allowed Hollender to terminate the partnership without warning. Any co-founder departure, even temporary, requires a signed document outlining exact terms.
- •Sell the benefit, not the feature: Newman's early catalog success came from reframing eco-friendly products around economic savings rather than environmental values. Low-flow showerheads were marketed as money-savers first, planet-savers second. This sequencing — answer "what's in it for me" before introducing mission — drove catalog sales from $1M in 1989 to $7M in 1990. Founders selling mission-driven products should lead with tangible consumer benefit and layer in values afterward.
- •Catalog-to-retail pivot strategy: Hollender shut down the mail-order catalog in 1995 — which represented 80% of revenue — to concentrate entirely on retail distribution. The decision was driven by rising postage and paper costs, low conversion rates (1 buyer per 100 catalogs mailed), and the higher lifetime value of repeat retail purchases. Seventh Generation entered Whole Foods in 1998, which triggered growth from roughly $10M to nearly $50M within five years.
- •Failure reward culture: Newman instituted a weekly prize for the employee who admitted the biggest mistake, typically a dinner voucher. The practice was designed to eliminate fear-based concealment, which he identified as the primary obstacle to fast-growing company performance. When mistakes are hidden, the same errors repeat across teams. Rewarding public admission of failure accelerates organizational learning and is now standard practice at companies like Google, but Newman implemented it in the early 1990s.
- •Demand-supply sequencing in new markets: When Newman launched Magic Hat Brewing in 1993, he deliberately allowed demand to exceed supply for 18 months before scaling production. This created sustained consumer pull rather than push-based distribution. The brewery reached the top 10 largest craft breweries in the US using this method. Founders entering crowded markets can manufacture scarcity early to build brand desirability before committing to capital-intensive production expansion.
- •Board alignment as a survival skill: Both Newman and Hollender were removed from Seventh Generation partly because they failed to maintain active board relationships. Newman delegated all investor relations to Hollender; Hollender pursued public activism and employee ownership expansion without securing board consensus first. In both cases, the board acted decisively once trust eroded. Founders should treat board management as a core operational responsibility, not a secondary task delegated or ignored during growth phases.
- •Complementary roles prevent co-founder conflict: Newman's most successful partnership — with brewer Bob Johnson at Magic Hat — worked because roles never overlapped. Johnson controlled brewing; Newman controlled business growth. Neither entered the other's domain. By contrast, Newman and Hollender both wanted ultimate decision-making authority at Seventh Generation. Before formalizing any co-founder relationship, map each person's decision rights explicitly and identify where authority is singular, not shared.
Notable Moment
Newman received a letter terminating his role at Seventh Generation while he was preparing to return from sabbatical with new business ideas. He had no indication Hollender was dissatisfied during the six months they were apart. His reaction centered not on the business loss but on the personal betrayal — describing the company as something that had been taken from him without a single conversation.
Episode Transcript
Building a business means being 10 people at once. The strategist, the spreadsheet person, the one fixing the office sink. US Bank made a card for exactly that kind of hustle. The creditor and issuer of this card is US Bank National Association pursuant to a license from Visa USA Inc. Some restrictions apply. Hey, everyone. So the team is taking a break this week, which gives us an incredible opportunity to replay an episode that we still talk about today. And even though it ran a few years ago, to be exact, in January 2021, as you are about to hear, it's probably the most dramatic story we've ever told about a business partnership and what happened to it. The good, the bad, and, well, we'll get there. So for now, enjoy. Hey. It's Guy here. And really quick before we start this episode, there are a few bad words that you will hear that we did not bleep out. So if you're listening with kids, just be mindful. We were working with a tissue paper manufacturer out in Wisconsin that made all the paper products. Yeah. They thought we were crazy, by the way, because, you know, we were selling unbleached, a 100% recycled fiber bathroom tissue, which was the scratchy stuff that you found in a gas station. And we insisted that it said made with 100% recycled paper. It had always been made with 100% recycled, but they hid that in all the promote all the material. Oh, because consumers didn't want that? No. Why would consumers want toilet paper made of recycled paper? They thought we were absolutely out of our mind. From NPR, it's how I built this, a show about innovators, entrepreneurs, idealists, and the stories behind the movements they built. I'm Guy Raz, and on the show today, how two men who probably had no business going into business together went into business together and built seventh generation of pioneer and eco friendly cleaning products. Back in September 2020, we received an email from a listener named Kiara. She suggested we consider interviewing her father, Jeffrey Hollander. My dad, she wrote, started Seventh Generation in 1988. He is kind, intelligent, and is as interested in doing good as ever. He would never write an email like this himself, but I think his story and the story of Seventh Generation is important to where we are in the world right now. It's filled with hope and pain as all the best stories are. Well, we were intrigued in part because Seventh Generation is one of the iconic brands in the eco friendly cleaning category, And in part, because Kiara said the story is filled with hope and pain. So we started digging, and what we found surprised us. For starters, we discovered that there was another founder. His name is Alan Newman. And back in 1992, just a few years after the company was launched, Alan and Jeffrey had a bitter falling out. …
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