NEM#246: Robert Deeble in His Talking Voice
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79 min
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3 min
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Career Growth, Relationships, Leadership
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Poetry-First Songwriting: Deeble writes songs two ways: poetry-first where lyrics dictate structure, creating unusual phrasing and long stanzas, versus melody-first where lyrics follow song structure. The Attic of Desire exemplifies poetry-first composition, originally titled A Formal Apology, featuring extended lyrical introductions that required strategic string pauses and structural breaks during studio production to give listeners breathing room between sections.
- ✓Vocal Production Philosophy: T Bone Burnett advised Deeble to sing in his talking voice, guidance he followed from Earth Side Down onward. This shifted his style from 1990s emo-influenced lower-mixed vocals with falsetto to front-and-center Leonard Cohen-style delivery. His vocal range has a dead zone between high and low registers, leading him to choose one extreme or the other rather than attempting middle range notes.
- ✓Strategic String Arrangement: Producer Rich Hordinsky uses backing vocals as instruments rather than traditional harmony parts, bringing in vocalists Chaya Jones and Lacey Brown separately to create layered textures. Jones provides prominent melodic lines functioning like horn parts, while Brown adds shadowing effects behind lead vocals. This approach transformed The Attic of Desire from its original 2003 indie rock version into a lush orchestral arrangement.
- ✓Sustainable Touring Model: After years of van touring that strained his marriage, Deeble established a four-week maximum tour length rule. He now works three days weekly as a therapist with a five-person practice in Seattle, flying to regions for four-to-five day concentrated performance runs. He alternates between house concerts for 40 people and club dates, finding both intimate and sonic environments valuable for different reasons.
- ✓Tempo Recording Process: Deeble creates home drum loops and skeleton guitar-vocal tracks, sends them to Hordinsky in Cincinnati, then gradually builds arrangements with players on both coasts. For The Attic of Desire, he scrapped three-fourths of completed recordings after realizing the song worked better slower, requiring drummer Dan Phelps to re-record at a different tempo, demonstrating how studio becomes its own creative instrument during production.
What It Covers
Singer-songwriter Robert Deeble discusses his seventh album The Space Between Us, spanning a career from 1989 to 2025. The conversation explores his songwriting evolution, collaboration with producer Rich Hordinsky, use of nylon string guitar and string arrangements, balancing a therapy practice with music, and detailed production choices on tracks from multiple albums including Earth Side Down and Beloved.
Key Questions Answered
- •Poetry-First Songwriting: Deeble writes songs two ways: poetry-first where lyrics dictate structure, creating unusual phrasing and long stanzas, versus melody-first where lyrics follow song structure. The Attic of Desire exemplifies poetry-first composition, originally titled A Formal Apology, featuring extended lyrical introductions that required strategic string pauses and structural breaks during studio production to give listeners breathing room between sections.
- •Vocal Production Philosophy: T Bone Burnett advised Deeble to sing in his talking voice, guidance he followed from Earth Side Down onward. This shifted his style from 1990s emo-influenced lower-mixed vocals with falsetto to front-and-center Leonard Cohen-style delivery. His vocal range has a dead zone between high and low registers, leading him to choose one extreme or the other rather than attempting middle range notes.
- •Strategic String Arrangement: Producer Rich Hordinsky uses backing vocals as instruments rather than traditional harmony parts, bringing in vocalists Chaya Jones and Lacey Brown separately to create layered textures. Jones provides prominent melodic lines functioning like horn parts, while Brown adds shadowing effects behind lead vocals. This approach transformed The Attic of Desire from its original 2003 indie rock version into a lush orchestral arrangement.
- •Sustainable Touring Model: After years of van touring that strained his marriage, Deeble established a four-week maximum tour length rule. He now works three days weekly as a therapist with a five-person practice in Seattle, flying to regions for four-to-five day concentrated performance runs. He alternates between house concerts for 40 people and club dates, finding both intimate and sonic environments valuable for different reasons.
- •Tempo Recording Process: Deeble creates home drum loops and skeleton guitar-vocal tracks, sends them to Hordinsky in Cincinnati, then gradually builds arrangements with players on both coasts. For The Attic of Desire, he scrapped three-fourths of completed recordings after realizing the song worked better slower, requiring drummer Dan Phelps to re-record at a different tempo, demonstrating how studio becomes its own creative instrument during production.
- •Open Tuning Discovery: Earth Side Down introduced an E-based open tuning inspired by Sunny Day Real Estate's use of dominant seventh chords, where the G string drops and D string rises to create dissonance. This tuning became standard for most subsequent work but requires dedicated guitars since retuning breaks strings. The technique creates the distinctive riffs heard throughout his catalog from 1998 forward.
Notable Moment
Deeble reveals he used to perform Rock a Bye live by mimicking Victoria Williams' distinctive voice so accurately that audiences were shocked when his voice suddenly shifted to her range. This party trick from his mid-1990s touring days demonstrated vocal flexibility he no longer attempts, as some high notes from earlier albums like Heart Like Feathers have become unreachable with age.
Episode Transcript
This episode is sponsored by Game Time, the most convenient place to get concert tickets. Download the Game Time app or go to gametime.co. You're listening to Nakedly Examined Music, a podcast about songs and songwriters. My name is Mark Lindstenmaier. My guest for episode 246 is singer songwriter Robert Diebel, who says he is promoting his seventh album. He actually had two albums before that, so starting way back in 1989. You're right now hearing The Forest from the Tree from that new album, The Space Between Us, and we'll soon be discussing The Attic of Desire from that album. Then we'll look back to his 2017 album Beloved and talk about the song uncertain. Then we'll talk about the title track from his 1998 album, Earth Side Down. We'll conclude by listening to Rock a Bye featuring Victoria Williams from nineteen ninety four's Days Like These, his professional debut. For more information, please go to robertddiebel.com. For more about this podcast, go to nakedlyexaminedmusic.com or go to patreon.com/nakedlyexaminedmusic to support the podcast, which will get you an ad free feed and all my notes used for these discussions. So I will play a little bit of the forest from the tree, your latest single released this last September from the space between us, your new album. And we're gonna talk about a full song from that in a minute, and we'll go back further in your catalog. I will have already tried to sum up the arc of your career since the eighties in, my little intro that I'll record later, but you tell me. I see that you had a couple albums that, as far as your official discography, no longer exists. So you start off in, what, 1994 with the, days like these? I have a couple of cassette tapes that, was sort of me first starting to write. That was done amongst a small group of friends that I'm still in deep contact with, but they've always just kinda stayed on cassettes and people hunt for them, and that's kinda fun, but I haven't made them mildly available. There's no reason for that. Just I think I when I start with my first album, Days Like These, stepping in with my best foot forward, I guess. Sure. I mean, even on days like these, some of it I don't know. I I like to listen to some of these with my elderly father who is a folk singer, and he's like, I can't understand any of the words. So in other words, I hear so I've I've sort of taken that to heart, and I really try to make my lyrics, you know, especially, you know, somebody like you who crafts lyrics. But your default singing style is, I'm gonna stay down here. I'm gonna kinda do this Leonard Cohen kinda thing, which can be very clear. But I I'm hearing on days like these, some of the sort of emo a little bit, like, …
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“Some high notes from earlier albums like Heart Like Feathers have become unreachable with age.”
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“Singer-songwriter Robert Deeble discusses his seventh album The Space Between Us, spanning a career from 1989 to 2025.”
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