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How Modern Science Got Consciousness Wrong From the Start | Philip Goff

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Philip Goff

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Key Takeaways

  • Galileo's Error: Galileo deliberately excluded subjective experience from mathematical science to make physics purely quantitative — a pragmatic move that launched the Scientific Revolution but permanently severed consciousness from scientific inquiry. To make genuine progress on consciousness, researchers must reunite what Galileo separated: first-person knowledge gained from inner experience with third-person knowledge gained through experiment and observation.
  • Panpsychism vs. Physicalism: Physicalism — the dominant view that consciousness emerges from brain processes — is, according to Goff, not merely unproven but incoherent. It fails to explain why any physical process produces subjective experience at all. Panpsychism avoids this by positing consciousness as the foundational layer of reality, with physical properties like mass, spin, and charge emerging from it rather than the reverse.
  • AI Consciousness Skepticism: Despite panpsychism's broad scope, Goff argues large language models are unlikely to be conscious. Panpsychism does not hold that every physical combination is conscious — only fundamental particles or fields carry rudimentary experience. Goff suggests genuine artificial consciousness would require something closer to an artificial living system, such as a synthetic microbe, rather than computational architectures.
  • The Combination Problem: The central challenge for panpsychism is explaining how rudimentary particle-level consciousness combines into unified human experience. Two approaches exist: treating combination as a brute primitive fact, or constructing a reductionist account where unification emerges automatically. Either way, Goff argues panpsychism retains Occam's razor appeal by grounding all of reality in a single type of property.
  • Strong Emergence as Empirical Test: Goff proposes that if consciousness confers genuine survival advantage — which evolution suggests it must — then it likely introduces new causal dynamics in the brain not fully predictable from known chemistry or physics. Identifying these dynamics, analogous to Maxwell adding electromagnetic laws, could empirically distinguish conscious systems from purely mechanistic ones and resolve whether consciousness is biological or computational.

What It Covers

Philosopher Philip Goff argues that Galileo's 17th-century decision to exclude consciousness from mathematical science created an unsolvable explanatory gap. Goff presents panpsychism — the view that consciousness is a fundamental property of the universe underlying all physical reality — as the most coherent framework for resolving this 400-year-old scientific blind spot.

Key Questions Answered

  • Galileo's Error: Galileo deliberately excluded subjective experience from mathematical science to make physics purely quantitative — a pragmatic move that launched the Scientific Revolution but permanently severed consciousness from scientific inquiry. To make genuine progress on consciousness, researchers must reunite what Galileo separated: first-person knowledge gained from inner experience with third-person knowledge gained through experiment and observation.
  • Panpsychism vs. Physicalism: Physicalism — the dominant view that consciousness emerges from brain processes — is, according to Goff, not merely unproven but incoherent. It fails to explain why any physical process produces subjective experience at all. Panpsychism avoids this by positing consciousness as the foundational layer of reality, with physical properties like mass, spin, and charge emerging from it rather than the reverse.
  • AI Consciousness Skepticism: Despite panpsychism's broad scope, Goff argues large language models are unlikely to be conscious. Panpsychism does not hold that every physical combination is conscious — only fundamental particles or fields carry rudimentary experience. Goff suggests genuine artificial consciousness would require something closer to an artificial living system, such as a synthetic microbe, rather than computational architectures.
  • The Combination Problem: The central challenge for panpsychism is explaining how rudimentary particle-level consciousness combines into unified human experience. Two approaches exist: treating combination as a brute primitive fact, or constructing a reductionist account where unification emerges automatically. Either way, Goff argues panpsychism retains Occam's razor appeal by grounding all of reality in a single type of property.
  • Strong Emergence as Empirical Test: Goff proposes that if consciousness confers genuine survival advantage — which evolution suggests it must — then it likely introduces new causal dynamics in the brain not fully predictable from known chemistry or physics. Identifying these dynamics, analogous to Maxwell adding electromagnetic laws, could empirically distinguish conscious systems from purely mechanistic ones and resolve whether consciousness is biological or computational.
  • Quantum Mechanics Connection: Goff endorses exploring models where consciousness and quantum wave function collapse are explained by a single theoretical posit, following work by David Chalmers and Kelvin McQueen. He finds the Penrose-Hameroff microtubule hypothesis less compelling, arguing its philosophical motivations around Gödel's incompleteness theorem are unconvincing, while acknowledging that linking consciousness to quantum mechanics deserves more mainstream scientific attention.

Notable Moment

Neuroscientist Christoph Koch famously bet philosopher David Chalmers twenty-five years ago that science would identify the neural correlates of consciousness within that timeframe. Koch publicly conceded the bet and delivered the promised case of fine wine — a moment Goff uses to illustrate how little genuine progress consciousness science has actually made.

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Episode Transcript

I think the problem of consciousness was built into the way we design science, right, by the father of modern science, Galileo. Can you talk about Galileo's error? Galileo wasn't simply separating the qualia from the mathematics for scientific reasons. So what did Galileo do? He took consciousness outside of the domain of science. I mean, the universe is not a biological system. Right? If consciousness for higher forms of biology is more developed than, say, a bird compared to a human, how do you feel about the proposal that a computer system in that there is a form of consciousness flowing through the physical system that if that system is complex enough, a higher form of consciousness can emerge. Thanks, Craig. Looking forward to the conversation. Panpsychism is the view that consciousness goes all the way down to the fundamental building blocks of the physical universe. I mean, in in a way, you might see it as a continuation of a of a trend that's been going on for some time now. You know, at the start of the scientific revolution, we thought only we were conscious and animals were sort of unfeeling mechanisms. And then over time, we've attributed consciousness to more and more animals starting off with higher primates, other mammals. Only fairly recently, birds and fish are typically attribute to consciousness. And then, maybe a couple of years ago now, there was a couple of 100 scientists signing a letter that they take insect and reptile consciousness seriously. So panpsychists take this to its logical conclusion, holding that not only the simplest forms of life, but the molecules, atoms, subatomic particles making up life has its own very, very simple forms of consciousness. So we are conscious creatures in a conscious universe. That's the basic idea. Can you talk about Galileo's error? What I'm most passionate about is that this is not just another scientific problem we haven't dealt with yet. You know, it's not just, oh, we need to do a a few more brain scans and we'll crack it. This is an utterly unique problem. And, I mean, and one way into this is, I I I think the problem of consciousness was built into the the way we design science, right, by the the father of modern science, Galileo. Right? He was we he was a great experimental scientist, but he was also a great philosopher, and it it was his philosophical innovations that really shaped the foundations of the Scientific Revolution. So so Galileo wanted science to be purely mathematical. Something we take for granted these days, but at the time it was it was a radical innovation. But Galileo had to do a little bit of philosophical work to make sense of that. Because the trouble is, I mean, one thing about consciousness it's the only phenomenon that we have direct access to. Right? And that direct access reveals to us something about its nature. You know, the the redness of …

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  • He finds the Penrose-Hameroff microtubule hypothesis less compelling, arguing its philosophical motivations around Gödel's incompleteness theorem are unconvincing, while acknowledging that linking consciousness to quantum mechanics deserves more mainstream scientific attention.

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