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Episode 166 - December 12, 2025

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John Stanford

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59 min

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Key Takeaways

  • Defense Funding Shift: DOD creates new biotech office to fund synthetic biology, biomanufacturing, AI drug development, and infectious disease research as NIH faces cuts. Companies touching federal funding must avoid "companies of concern" lists managed by DOD (1260h list) and White House OMB. BioSecure provisions now prohibit federal agencies from purchasing from designated Chinese biotech equipment or service providers, with watered-down flow-through provisions affecting SBIR recipients.
  • Multiple Myeloma CAR-T Competition: Johnson & Johnson's CARTITUDE shows 83% overall survival at 36 months versus 65% for standard triple therapy in second-line treatment. Gilead's Aniracel demonstrates cleaner safety profile without Parkinsonism or immune enterocolitis seen with CARTITUDE, positioning it as preferred option once approved beyond fourth-line. AstraZeneca's dual-targeting BCMA/CD19 CAR-T achieves 89% overall survival at 36 months in high-risk newly diagnosed patients.
  • Bispecific Breakthrough Data: Johnson & Johnson's Tecvayli plus daratumumab combination achieves 83% overall survival at 36 months in relapsed/refractory multiple myeloma, matching CAR-T efficacy with different toxicity profile. Main concern involves infection risk from chronic B-cell depletion, manageable with subcutaneous IVIG. FDA approval expected 2026 for second-line setting, creating direct competition with CAR-T therapies and ArcelorMitex later-line options.
  • CML Allosteric Innovation: Turns Pharma's TERN-701 demonstrates 43% major molecular response in prior Tasigna-exposed CML patients and 50% in prior TKI-exposed patients. Once-daily oral dosing with or without food, no dose-limiting toxicities, and no pancreatic toxicity positions it ahead of Novartis's Tasigna standard. Phase one data strength drives $750 million financing (versus $650 million target), with phase three trial next step before potential partnership or acquisition.
  • Regulatory Uncertainty Impact: Dyne Therapeutics reports 3% normal dystrophin production at six months (10x standard of care) with functional endpoint separation versus placebo in DMD exon 51 skipper trial. Despite data exceeding Sarepta precedent for accelerated approval, investor response remains muted due to FDA philosophical uncertainty under new administration. SBIR/STTR reauthorization remains blocked over foreign funding debates, with next opportunity January 30th government funding deadline.

What It Covers

Biotech Hangout Episode 166 examines the 2026 National Defense Authorization Act's biotech provisions, BioSecure Act implications, ASH conference data on CAR-T therapies and bispecifics in multiple myeloma, ESMO Asia oncology updates, Dyne's positive DMD exon skipper data, obesity pipeline developments, and industry sentiment heading into 2026 with optimism scores averaging 7.5-8 out of 10.

Key Questions Answered

  • Defense Funding Shift: DOD creates new biotech office to fund synthetic biology, biomanufacturing, AI drug development, and infectious disease research as NIH faces cuts. Companies touching federal funding must avoid "companies of concern" lists managed by DOD (1260h list) and White House OMB. BioSecure provisions now prohibit federal agencies from purchasing from designated Chinese biotech equipment or service providers, with watered-down flow-through provisions affecting SBIR recipients.
  • Multiple Myeloma CAR-T Competition: Johnson & Johnson's CARTITUDE shows 83% overall survival at 36 months versus 65% for standard triple therapy in second-line treatment. Gilead's Aniracel demonstrates cleaner safety profile without Parkinsonism or immune enterocolitis seen with CARTITUDE, positioning it as preferred option once approved beyond fourth-line. AstraZeneca's dual-targeting BCMA/CD19 CAR-T achieves 89% overall survival at 36 months in high-risk newly diagnosed patients.
  • Bispecific Breakthrough Data: Johnson & Johnson's Tecvayli plus daratumumab combination achieves 83% overall survival at 36 months in relapsed/refractory multiple myeloma, matching CAR-T efficacy with different toxicity profile. Main concern involves infection risk from chronic B-cell depletion, manageable with subcutaneous IVIG. FDA approval expected 2026 for second-line setting, creating direct competition with CAR-T therapies and ArcelorMitex later-line options.
  • CML Allosteric Innovation: Turns Pharma's TERN-701 demonstrates 43% major molecular response in prior Tasigna-exposed CML patients and 50% in prior TKI-exposed patients. Once-daily oral dosing with or without food, no dose-limiting toxicities, and no pancreatic toxicity positions it ahead of Novartis's Tasigna standard. Phase one data strength drives $750 million financing (versus $650 million target), with phase three trial next step before potential partnership or acquisition.
  • Regulatory Uncertainty Impact: Dyne Therapeutics reports 3% normal dystrophin production at six months (10x standard of care) with functional endpoint separation versus placebo in DMD exon 51 skipper trial. Despite data exceeding Sarepta precedent for accelerated approval, investor response remains muted due to FDA philosophical uncertainty under new administration. SBIR/STTR reauthorization remains blocked over foreign funding debates, with next opportunity January 30th government funding deadline.

Notable Moment

Guest John Stanford from Incubate Coalition reveals biotech now ranks alongside quantum computing, hypersonics, and AI as national security assets in defense policy. The intelligence community (CIA, NSA) will appoint biotech liaisons for the first time, accessing enormous funding pools. A reverse-CFIUS regime requires US investors to notify government before investing in foreign biotech companies, though biotech currently remains exempt from mandatory approval requirements.

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Episode Transcript

You're listening to biotech hangout, a live and unedited weekly discussion of all the latest news in our industry with a group of biotech insiders. I'm Grace Colon, and my cohost today are Chris Garabedian, Sam Fazeli, Paul Matteis, Sierra and Roemer, and special guest, John Stanford. For more information about our hosted guest speakers or to listen to the most recent episodes, please go to biotechhangout.com. And as always, for more information about our hosts and guests or to catch up on recent episodes, visit biotech hangout. We have a very full slate today. Big policy news, major financing activity, several a couple of deals, huge wave of conference data, and a lot of important updates in some, key hot therapeutic areas. So why don't we jump in? Why don't we start with John Stanford, host of the Baking Medicines podcast? Welcome, John. Glad to have you here. And he's here to help us unpack the latest developments regarding the 2026 reauthorization of the National Defense Authorization Act or NDAA. The house passed it this week. Senate is expected to vote on it next week. John, lots of stuff to digest here. Can you walk us through some of the highlights and the implications for the sector? There's stuff on research restrictions with other countries, supply chain implications, STTBR, SBIR, the list goes on. So I'll let you get going on that, and thanks for joining. Yeah. You bet. Well, great to see so many familiar faces. For those of you who don't know, Incubate, we're sort of the voice of venture capital in the early stage ecosystem in DC. So we watch things like the defense bill or NDAA as Us DC nerds call it, and all eyes on biotech this year. So the first key takeaway is this isn't a bill just for warships and planes and Pentagon funding. This is a clear statement that biotech has now moved into the list of fields along with quantum, hypersonics, AI that frankly are viewed as a national security asset. And so that manifests itself in this bill in a bunch of ways that I'm gonna try to get through, without putting everyone to sleep. I mean, the the first section I think there's two ways to think about it. There's there's the good news, and then there's the possible constraints that we need to be mindful of. The good news is is more investments through the DOD to build at home, and to secure the ecosystem. So there will be more money at DOD. Now we all know that the SBIR STTR program remains on pause. We can we can cover that later. But in the meantime, this bill is gonna authorize the DOD to effectively build a similar program to subsidize things that are relevant to DOD goals. So if you're in the life sciences space and you are navigating synthetic bio, if you are getting involved in biomanufacturing, if you're using AI to develop new molecules, …

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  • Gilead's Aniracel demonstrates cleaner safety profile without Parkinsonism or immune enterocolitis seen with CARTITUDE.
  • AstraZeneca's dual-targeting BCMA/CD19 CAR-T achieves 89% overall survival at 36 months in high-risk newly diagnosed patients.
  • Guest John Stanford from Incubate Coalition reveals biotech now ranks alongside quantum computing, hypersonics, and AI as national security assets.
  • Despite data exceeding Sarepta precedent for accelerated approval, investor response remains muted.
  • Johnson & Johnson's CARTITUDE shows 83% overall survival at 36 months versus 65% for standard triple therapy in second-line treatment.
  • Turns Pharma's TERN-701 demonstrates 43% major molecular response in prior Tasigna-exposed CML patients.
  • Dyne Therapeutics reports 3% normal dystrophin production at six months (10x standard of care) with functional endpoint separation versus placebo in DMD exon 51 skipper trial.
  • Once-daily oral dosing with or without food, no dose-limiting toxicities, and no pancreatic toxicity positions it ahead of Novartis's Tasigna standard.

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